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re: Which human being has made the biggest impact on human history?
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:17 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:17 am to Darth_Vader
it's not just about empire building. khan killed a lot of people, fricked a lot of women, but also connected europe and asia
the silk road was a big deal
and IN KHAN'S LIFE, he established the silk road and opened up trade between the east and west. the issue you get with Jesus is how much of the spread gets attributed to Jesus or others. even marx has this issue. we don't have it with ghengis.
in a meta way, it's kind of an ironic dividing point. on one hand we have a concrete example and on the other we have hopes and connectivity
the silk road was a big deal
and IN KHAN'S LIFE, he established the silk road and opened up trade between the east and west. the issue you get with Jesus is how much of the spread gets attributed to Jesus or others. even marx has this issue. we don't have it with ghengis.
in a meta way, it's kind of an ironic dividing point. on one hand we have a concrete example and on the other we have hopes and connectivity
Posted on 4/18/15 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not just about empire building. khan killed a lot of people, fricked a lot of women, but also connected europe and asia
the silk road was a big deal
and IN KHAN'S LIFE, he established the silk road and opened up trade between the east and west. the issue you get with Jesus is how much of the spread gets attributed to Jesus or others. even marx has this issue. we don't have it with ghengis.
in a meta way, it's kind of an ironic dividing point. on one hand we have a concrete example and on the other we have hopes and connectivity
There was contact and trade between the East & West long before Ghengis came along. Here's a map showing trade routes that existed hundreds of years before his time....
And as for the Silk Road, there was trade between China and Europe dating back to the Roman Empire. The Silk Road itself existed centuries before Genghis....
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Soon after the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC, regular communications and trade between China, Southeast Asia, India, the Middle East, Africa, and Europe blossomed on an unprecedented scale. The eastern trade routes from the earlier Hellenistic powers and the Arabs that were part of the Silk Road were inherited by the Roman Empire. With control of these trade routes, citizens of the Roman Empire would receive new luxuries and greater prosperity for the Empire as a whole.[24] The Greco-Roman trade with India started by Eudoxus of Cyzicus in 130 BC continued to increase, and according to Strabo (II.5.12), by the time of Augustus, up to 120 ships were setting sail every year from Myos Hormos in Roman Egypt to India.[25] The Roman Empire connected with the Central Asian Silk Road through their ports in Barygaza (known today as Bharuch [26]) and Barbaricum (known today as the cities of Karachi, Sindh, and Pakistan [27]) and continued along the western coast of India.[28] An ancient "travel guide" to this Indian Ocean trade route was the Greek Periplus of the Erythraean Sea written in 60 CE.
The travelling party of Maës Titianus penetrated farthest east along the Silk Road from the Mediterranean world, probably with the aim of regularizing contacts and reducing the role of middlemen, during one of the lulls in Rome's intermittent wars with Parthia, which repeatedly obstructed movement along the Silk Road. Intercontinental trade and communication became regular, organized, and protected by the 'Great Powers.' Intense trade with the Roman Empire soon followed, confirmed by the Roman craze for Chinese silk (supplied through the Parthians), even though the Romans thought silk was obtained from trees. This belief was affirmed by Seneca the Younger in his Phaedra and by Virgil in his Georgics. Notably, Pliny the Elder knew better. Speaking of the bombyx or silk moth, he wrote in his Natural Histories "They weave webs, like spiders, that become a luxurious clothing material for women, called silk."[29] The Romans traded spices, perfumes, and silk.[30]
A Westerner on a camel, Northern Wei Dynasty (386–534)
Roman artisans began to replace yarn with valuable plain silk cloths from China.[31] Chinese wealth grew as they delivered silk and other luxury goods to the Roman Empire, whose wealthy Roman women admired their beauty.[32] The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were considered to be decadent and immoral.
I can see clothes of silk, if materials that do not hide the body, nor even one's decency, can be called clothes... Wretched flocks of maids labour so that the adulteress may be visible through her thin dress, so that her husband has no more acquaintance than any outsider or foreigner with his wife's body.[33]
The Roman Empire, and its demand for sophisticated Asian products, crumbled in the West around the 5th century.
The unification of Central Asia and Northern India within Kushan Empire in the 1st to 3rd centuries reinforced the role of the powerful merchants from Bactria and Taxila.[34] They fostered multi-cultural interaction as indicated by their 2nd century treasure hoards filled with products from the Greco-Roman world, China, and India, such as in the archeological site of Begram.
I see now that I've presented facts that counter your arguments, instead of making a counter argument, you resort to downvotes, even going back to downvote everything I've posted in this thread. How petty and small. I thought more of you than this.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 10:38 am
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