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re: History Topic: Did R.E. Lee Betray His Countrymen?

Posted on 4/12/15 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by RollTideATL
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 6:49 pm to
I think it all boiled down to slavery at the end of the day. Were there other contributing factors... no doubt. That being said, the issue of slavery was head and shoulders above all of the other reasons and it ultimately led America to a civil war. Simply put, without slavery, there would not have been an American Civil War (at least as we know it today). The very core argument for states' rights was an argument for slavery (and government not interfering with their prerogative).

I agree that I have no idea what would have happened if slavery was not at the forefront of political landscape at the time. Could other issues or political resentment eventually have caused the war? Sure. We could have been a collision course all along, but it's all conjecture... and to your point, we'll never know.

This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 6:50 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 7:00 pm to
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I think it all boiled down to slavery at the end of the day. W


No it didn't all boil down to slavery at the end of the day. The attacks on slavery were just the final straw that made the south say enough is enough. Just like Ukraine did not revolt against their old president just because he refused to join the EU, but it was the final straw and therefore the easiest for outsiders to point out and say this is why they are fighting.

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he very core argument for states' rights was an argument for slavery (and government not interfering with their prerogative).


No because the argument of states rights started even before there was a US Constitution and flared up multiple times in the 70s between Washington and Lincoln and it had nothing to do with slavery. The most famous being the tariff situation, but the argument was raised over the national canal and road plan, the Louisiana purchase, the national bank, the measures taken to try and end the recession in the late 1830's, the annexation of Texas. Prior to the Compromise of 1850 the political parties were split between stronger state governments (democratic-republicans and eventually democrats) and stronger federal government (Federalis, Whigs, and finally the republicans).

ETA: I am sigining off not to go watch the game. Geaux Pels!
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 7:08 pm
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 10:01 pm to
Just stop! You are embarrassing yourself. Take a few days off of the board and dig real deep into The Missouri Compromise and The Kansas-Nebraska Act. Study up on the Nullification crisis during the Jackson Administration. Then thoroughly review the "black laws" enacted in Northern States prior to the war.....particularly those in Lincolns home State of Illinois which were the worst. If you are intellectually honest, you will comprehend some truths you were never taught regarding the war. Northern States did not give two shits about the plight of the black race. They despised them more so than Southerners who at least accorded them degrees of value as they were lifetime investments. The Northern States passed all sorts of laws to limit the number of blacks in the North. They purposely made it difficult, if not almost impossible, for blacks to function as freedmen in the region. Industrialists in the North and their complicit congressmen had one goal. That was the economic crippling and subsequent loss of political power of the South. The only way to achieve that was by ending slavery.

Had it not been for the tens of thousands of white immigrants who entered the country via the Northern States for three decades leading up to the war....slavery would not have been the central point because without those immigrants, slavery would have still been in practice in the North. The only reason it was abolished was because their were tens of thousands of white immigrants demanding WAGE PAYING jobs.

People like you who believe that their was some magnaminous moral group think that took place in the North and it was a conflict of good vs evil are the lowest common denominator in discussions on the subject.

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