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re: 4-2-5 Scheme or Personnel far fetched ?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:17 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:17 pm to SabiDojo
Personnel should always dictate scheme. Although coaches should recruit players to a scheme. It's one of the reasons the defense has been so successful. They recruit players who know that role. Where as turning a DE into LOLB in a 3-4 doesn't always work for example.
I have no qualms with our defense since the 90s really. Even last year I accepted the youth. It's all about the other side of the ball.. Special teams! I'm kidding. Offense.
I have no qualms with our defense since the 90s really. Even last year I accepted the youth. It's all about the other side of the ball.. Special teams! I'm kidding. Offense.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:28 pm to USARMYDasher
Mingo and Hunter were made to be an OLB in the 3-4...
I have no issues with the D either. Just saying.
I have no issues with the D either. Just saying.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/9/15 at 12:04 am to NamariTiger
I want to run a 1-1-1-8.....to protect against that 40 yard game winning screen pass
Posted on 1/9/15 at 12:08 am to KG5989
Hunter and Mingo have 3-4 written all over them. So does Valentine. But do the rest? For the most part: no. I've never been a fan of 3-4. In the NFL it is more prominent because of passing is the main attack and running is only an avenue to keep the defense honest while allowing the LBs to drop into coverage. As far as college is concerned you have teams that run 50 times a game and teams that pass 50 times a game.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 2:21 am to USARMYDasher
Yes I know... My point was that it's hard to recruit 17-18 year old kids to fit a system. You have no idea how they will develop / grow as they mature. I mean you have a guy you think is a perfect fit for a 3-4 OLB, and then he gains a lot of weight and muscle and becomes a DE. And you could get a Safety that is just a stud... But becomes 230lbs by hir Jr. year. I mean look at Mingo. He has a great frame, just had a tough time adding weight. You have no idea how a kid will grow and mature as he gets older. Some guys come in fast, add weight, and become slow.
And I could think of other guys suited for a 3-4. Anthony Johnson as a 3-4 DE. Brockers as the NT. And Bennie Logan, consideing his success at that spot with Philly. Lavar Edwards as a 3-4 DE. Kwon could have played there too if needed. Ego could have been a DE in the 3-4. Godchaux as a DE. Etc, Etc.
And I'm not saying we should have ran a 3-4 or anything. Like I said in my previous post, I haven't had any issue with our D. Just saying that we have had a lot of guys that could have played in either. And coming out of high school, you have no idea what system someone will fit in 3 years.
And I could think of other guys suited for a 3-4. Anthony Johnson as a 3-4 DE. Brockers as the NT. And Bennie Logan, consideing his success at that spot with Philly. Lavar Edwards as a 3-4 DE. Kwon could have played there too if needed. Ego could have been a DE in the 3-4. Godchaux as a DE. Etc, Etc.
And I'm not saying we should have ran a 3-4 or anything. Like I said in my previous post, I haven't had any issue with our D. Just saying that we have had a lot of guys that could have played in either. And coming out of high school, you have no idea what system someone will fit in 3 years.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 2:25 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 4:07 am to NamariTiger
I HATE that we allow space by playing back off WRs. If your guys can run with them then teach the DBs how to play the reciever with their hands and get physical.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 4:09 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:30 am to USARMYDasher
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I'm glad to know someone actually knows something about defense. I see your point of LSU having so many talented DB's why not put them to use? A lot of them do get used when they have matured enough to play. The issue is facing a balanced offense. Against A&M or Ole Miss we might as well just play out of a based 4-2-5. Heavy passing offenses. But as far Arky, Auburn, Miss St, and Alabama who all run effectively, you really need that extra linebacker. DB matched up against a tight end or an offensive lineman is no bueno. We have recruited a ton of DBs in the past too. I don't know. It's preference. You could easily run a base 4-2-5 with a 4-3 package or even a 4-4, but with Arky's emergence and most of the east still running power offenses it would be wise to keep 4-3.
Drop that knowledge, son!!
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:32 am to airbornetiger
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airbornetiger 4-2-5 Scheme or Personnel far fetched ? I want to run a 1-1-1-8.....to protect against that 40 yard game winning screen pass
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:17 am to NamariTiger
That would put a lot of pressure on our DL to stop the run and also get pressure on passing plays. Don't think our DEs will get enough pressure consistently next year.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:31 am to bctiger6
pretty sure chavis ran a bit of this in his tenure here along with the mustang. it's his two go-to schemes vs the spread.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:38 am to USARMYDasher
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Hunter and Mingo have 3-4 written all over them. So does Valentine. But do the rest? For the most part: no. I've never been a fan of 3-4. In the NFL it is more prominent because of passing is the main attack and running is only an avenue to keep the defense honest while allowing the LBs to drop into coverage. As far as college is concerned you have teams that run 50 times a game and teams that pass 50 times a game.
Not necessarily. In Pete Carrol's 4-3 under defense, Mingo and Hunter are idea "LEOs" or "Elephants' 4-3 DEs:
"The LEO can be a little bit smaller than a normal DE and Pete Carroll tends to like a more athletic and versatile body type for his Elephant position; a guy that can speed rush the QB but also react quick enough to control his gap. Must also be able to drop back into coverage occasionally in zone blitz situations."
Sounds like people I know.
LSU runs a variant of a Miami 4-3 over from Jimmy Johnson's days at Okla St, which carried over to the University of Miami, which carried over to a successful run with the Dallas Cowboys.
Miami 4-3 is characterized by small defensive personnel that attack gaps. LBs are safety size. Swarming to the ball. Simple to run and relies on athletes versus specific skill set (though if you have an athlete and a skill set its going to be really effective). It was developed/refined at Okla St. since J. Johnson could not always recruit talent/skill set.
I would like to see us go toward what Pete Carroll did at USC and does at Seattle, his base 4-3 under. Works well against the run and designed to pressure the passer.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:41 am to KG5989
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And I could think of other guys suited for a 3-4
It all depends on the type of 3-4 you want to run. If you are thinking about the two-gap 3-4, then I would disagree. Too many perfect fits are required to run this system effectively, namely a huge wardaddy in the middle (nose tackle) and two really good inside LBs.
Those LSU players mentioned play in 3-4s, but more one-gap attacking systems vs the two gap control systems.
That is why I like CP so much as a DC. He is a fan of the 3-4 under/4-3 under attacking defense. I think he could have done well here at LSU.
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