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re: What is your outlook on the economy?

Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:52 pm to
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Well first, I assume you mean 2005-07, which were years of nearly complete gridlock on Capitol Hill when it took serious logrolling to even continue war funding. But that's not the main point.

Shouldn't have included '04 due to the election year, and I also should've been more clear when I said real entitlement reform. Everything you said about Bush is very true, and admittedly I let emotions take over when thinking about this one (very rarely happens since I'm dead inside and stuff). Bush did do more than any other President regarding entitlement reform, but even you have to admit the end product was entirely on the margin. Also true that this was primarily not his fault, as his own party were the real ones to blame for more not getting done (didn't 9 Dems have to cross for MMA to pass because 10 Pubs voted against it or something like that?). I chose '05 because no first term President could ever make this happen. It would have to be a samuri falling on the sword move.

I'm referring primarily to the 2005 DRA, and I'm going to try and do as best I can with this explanation because I am not seasoned in applicable policy and I lost my notes from this meeting years ago . It's not very well known, but the original drafts and conversations on this bill would have truly made a real impact at the heart of deficit reduction. The end result of the bill was nothing more than some hot button changes to penalty periods with nursing homes, weak caps on eligibility to Medicaid funded nursing home coverage, forced some applicants to spend before applying for assistance, and then a myriad of several accounting and qualification changes. I actually wasn't even aware of this until I was in a conference room and Glenn Hubbard was speaking fairly candidly, but apparently the original drafts of this had several cuts to eligibility that would put back of the napkin absolute nominal cuts in the trillions over the decade. I'm not referring to the accounting treatments the CBO uses assuming 4.5% GDP growth for calculating potential tax receipts somehow spawned from signed acts like cabbage patch kids. I mean real cuts. Extensive eligibility requirements, much more mandatory personal expensing, real cold-hearted shite that is actually needed to make a true dent here. The story is George didn't even try to take it to bring this up with his constituents before watering it down first.

Yes, I know this was likely the only possible and smart move by Bush. Yes, I know Hubbard left the WH staff in '03 so this could be very convoluted from what actually happened. Yes, I know there is less than a 5% chance it would've even gotten to the floor. Yes, I know I'm being irrational here. But frick man, this really was our only shot during our lifetime. I know I'm here, but he could've tried to force the bill through as much as he could early in '05 and let himself be the scapegoat while the GOP Congress spent the next 3 years distancing themselves politically from him. Yes, I know that would've nuked any chance of him getting anything done the rest of his presidency. Yes, I know it would've in all likelihood nuked the GOP (even though 20/20 hindsight they were fricked anyway the next couple election cycles). Yes, I know my irrationality is concerning right now. But you and I both know we won't have a real shot at making real dents here the rest of our lifetimes. Somebody will have to be the scapegoat, whether it be a politician or the population. Yes, I know this is completely unfair to blame Bush. But unfortunately now we will have an endless series of infected Band-Aids over the years to reactively deal with entitlements as issues chronically rise rather than a true surgical procedure to proactively make a real fix.

frick it, markets closed, I'm going to drink. Why don't you come to the MT anymore Fenton?

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You never debate Japanese monetary policy with me anymore...
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Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:02 pm to
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Why don't you come to the MT anymore Fenton?


I have been preoccupied with a lot of other things the last couple of years, but now I'm at a new job trying to write programs to simulate copula dependence structures to model risk, so it's likely I will get pulled back over here soon.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 5:49 pm to
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I'm referring primarily to the 2005 DRA


Now that is something you don't hear about very often. Pretty obscure stuff there.

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... Glenn Hubbard was speaking fairly candidly, but apparently the original drafts of this had several cuts to eligibility that would put back of the napkin absolute nominal cuts in the trillions over the decade. ... Extensive eligibility requirements, much more mandatory personal expensing, real cold-hearted shite that is actually needed to make a true dent here. ...


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this really was our only shot during our lifetime.


Yeah, I just don't look at these types of reforms the same way. Austerity style cuts and eligibility changes can't ever work in my view, (1) because they will never pass, and (2) even if they did, they wouldn't really solve the fundamental structural problem of how the programs are designed--i.e., any such cuts will only last as long as it takes for the next politician to come along and reverse them.

Thus, the only reforms that really show up on my radar are those that deal with tax incentives, medical pricing freedom / transparency, or voucherization type policies that spawn whole new cottage industries geared around competing for individual contracts.

But the window of opportunity has likely closed on either set of reforms in any case.

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frick it, markets closed, I'm going to drink.


Good enough. Me too!

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