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technology always wins in the end, because the population will support new tech that enhances their lives with much more vigor than they will their political parties. that's kind of what i'm implying with this thread (in terms of influencing one group with a tactile example to expand their political ideology in general. these liberals in nola and nyc who claim to support big gov are already displaying their hypocrisy with their support of "illegal" apps like uber/lyft)

I agree with this, but this elongates the timescale in my mind. There will be other smaller countries that will adapt quicker. I think the victory for fiber in Chattanooga is a good example though.

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well i dream of a world with extremely limited social welfare, public schooling, etc. we will only develop our technology with these efficiencies in place. it won't be a pretty place for those people

Obviously we have different dream worlds. I see the massive wealth created as an opportunity to live human lives fuller.

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wealth flows due to the desires of the populace. also, the wealthy can only increase wealth by offering competing products (at competing prices) while leaving enough money flowing to add to this wealth. the feared oligarchy, like what we see in contemporary russia, is only formed through the power of the state. even then, though, at some point they will reach a satiation point where without more freedom for the consumer, they cannot increase their wealth further.

I think the NIT eliminates the satiation point.

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the main reason poor people stay in the US is b/c we allow them to via social welfare programs paid by others

I don't buy this line of reasoning. And where would poor people go? Having worked with immigrants, they only want to leave their home countries when there is more opportunity elsewhere. That's a reality I don't think you are admitting. There isn't another country nearby which presents more opportunity, so the poor have no reason to go.

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Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:02 pm to crazy4lsu

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There will be other smaller countries that will adapt quicker.

who?

western europe is fighting these even more strongly due to their anti-liberty, pro-reg beliefs. china is no threat due to it still being authoritarian. india doesn't have the money of infrastructure, yet. no other country develops this tech on a large scale right now, anyway.

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I see the massive wealth created as an opportunity to live human lives fuller.

i don't see how decreasing public spending and redistribution of wealth is in contrast with this idea

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And where would poor people go?

i don't know and i don't really care. our social welfare is so robust that we support our own poor AND other countries are literally combining efforts to send their poor here to suck off the siphon

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they only want to leave their home countries when there is more opportunity elsewhere.

i think there will be some opportunity here, but if they are not part of an advanced economy, there won't be opportunity here. their "opportunity" is social welfare programs (aka, having other people fund their poor life choices). remove that and farm work in mexico is better