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re: EDIT: Israel duped again!
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:58 pm to Jimbeaux
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:58 pm to Jimbeaux
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trackfan for one. GAHZI for another.
Echoing Hamas propaganda IS supporting Hamas.
I believe that I said that I am opposed to all theocrats whether they be Islamic (Hamas) or Jewish (Likud), but just because I oppose Hamas' theocratic agenda doesn't mean that they don't have some legitimate grievances against Israel. Hell, some of Al Qaeda's grievances were legitimate, but I still despise them and supported the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11. I guess some folks are unable to hold two conflicting thoughts in their head at the same time. For example, I admired Mandela and everything he stood for, but when he started a terrorist organization to wage war against South Africa, the government had no choice but to throw him in prison.
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:14 pm to trackfan
quote:Likud aren't theocrats. They're just neoconservative-style chauvinists without an ounce of foresight who think they can manipulate the theocrats in their coalition and end up getting wagged. The theocrats are folks in the right-er wing like HBHY.
I believe that I said that I am opposed to all theocrats whether they be Islamic (Hamas) or Jewish (Likud), but just because I oppose Hamas' theocratic agenda doesn't mean that they don't have some legitimate grievances against Israel.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:18 pm to trackfan
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trackfan
My issue is supporting a complete lie to justify your stance.
An example is the fact that you tried to assert Israel was starving people, and it's just false. Your own link proved it. Not only that, but this thread shows that you are wrong... they are agreeing to a cease fire for the purpose.
I think EVERYBODY within the PT community will agree that kids are being caught in the cross fire. I think most would agree that even if Hamas was not using them as human shields that kids would be caught in the cross fire and it sucks.
1- Hamas is causing more death to kids by using them as shields. You will not agree to that.
2- You will not agree that Hamas is killing kids by using them as child labor. Have yet to see you speak out against it.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:21 pm to trackfan
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I believe that I said that I am opposed to all theocrats whether they be Islamic (Hamas) or Jewish (Likud), but just because I oppose Hamas' theocratic agenda doesn't mean that they don't have some legitimate grievances against Israel.
I'm glad you responded reasonably.
What I find frustrating is that I can tell you are a very intelligent man, but you seem to have a blind spot for the bigger picture.
Hamas does not want peace. They don't care about peace. They want Israel out of the Middle East. They do not want a two state solution, no matter where the boundaries are drawn. They want Israelis out of Jerusalem.
But how can Hamas accomplish this? They can't take on Israel in a real military battle. They foment hate for Israel constantly and teach it to their children. Their only effective tool (for now) is to drum up international support. They do this by provoking Israel into attacking them. Then parade the "victims" for a show and tell, regardless of the truth. They believe and teach their children that death in fighting the Israelis is the only honorable way to go.
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