re: How stupid are the owners/managers at car dealerships?

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Yeah, I've bought two new trucks and felt like I was arse raped on both of them. Dealers and their sales minions are no different the buzzards that poke the eyes out of a newborn calf.

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Bear in mind it's illegal to intentionally represent any information. Basically, I never lied and made plenty, don't get mad you're not as good at it as they are, they're pros. Just take whatever deal YOU feel is the best and stop worrying about it. Once you've bought it it's over with anyway, it's not like you can say "whoops, Nevermind" you can just not suck at your part of the process as much next time