I don't know about all this. I loved sXe hardcore though. One guys dead and the other started a record label....I'd say the germs route was a "dead end."

Some fantastic "hardcore" bands...if you consider them as such came out of all areas of the country. The germs were a band I never could get into, but giving a listen now with an open ear....I guess they were alright. I'm just old and somewhat over it. If a gun was put to my head to listen to a "hardcore" album from the early years I'm going minor threat or group sex all the way. .02$

Nyhc like gorilla biscuits would be my preferred "hardcore" (which the word in itself is interpreted differently depending on age and scene involvement. )

Since this is your thread Baloo and I imagine you will return to it, are you old enough (I ask respectfully) to have been a part of the DC days? I've seen you reference dag nasty many times. Did you get to see them?

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Posted by Baloo

Formerly MDGeaux

Member since Sep 2003

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Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:26 am to eye65

I f'n love Dag Nasty. Yeah, I saw them back in the day. I'm a little too young for Minor Threat, but I've seen Fugazi multiple times. I spent a lot of time at the old 9:30 Club, yes. We were suburban kids who took the Metro down for shows.

Never got into NYHC. It seemed so meathead. It was very "NY tough guy", and I had no interest in that. Even the DC violence wasn't about targeting people, it was this weird mutually assured destruction thing. But then a lot of bands started pushing back against the pit in the early 90s. By the time riot grrrl showed up (I know that's more of a Pacific Northwest thing, but they were embraced in DC), it was embarrassing to think about slamdancing. It's so exclusionary and sort of sexist when you stop to think about it. Girls want to see the shows without getting punched in the head. Bikini Kill was eye opening for me.

I think a lot of the former straight edge guys moved on to other things. They ended up doing lots of cool things, just not in straight edge. It was a starting point, not a destination. I don't regret one second of those days, but it's hard for me to point a young music fan back to that cul de sac. Get the Flex Your Head compilation and then move on to their later projects.

The Germs are the blueprint for hardcore, and for about five years, hardcore was the indie scene. In fact, almost all of 90s rock music is borne out of that scene. New bands still name check Black Flag.

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