re: Kiper: How low could they go?

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I didn't mean to compare them side by side, just the rawness of them though Werner was more raw.

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No offense, but are we talking about the same Bjoern Werner? Werner was one of the more pollished DEs, but he lacked elite speed/athleticism to be a stand-up 3/4 OLB and he lacked elite size/length to be a strongside 4/3 DE. He could dominate in college with pollished passrushing moves and a good motor, but once elite NFL tackles get their hands on him he's f'ed.

Barr is the exact opposite. He's an incredible athlete who is just now learning his position. He has the length and explosion to be one of the top defenders from this draft. He is a freak of nature and for some unknown reason people think he might be dropping. Look at the measureables, the guy is on par with Clowney in most measureables.

Anyone who thinks you pass on Anthony f'n Barr at 27 is batshit crazy.