re: The Conservative Myth of a Social Safety Net Built on Charity

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once government got out of the way, india is no longer a good example for this. they're churning out upward mobility these days

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have you been to india? There are literally people sleeping on the streets. And you know how people beg by big street intersections here? That is everywhere in india.

They definitely have a growing middle class but they also have a shite ton of poor people, with no expectation to leave poverty.