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re: LSU Basketball Individual FG Percentages

Posted on 3/7/14 at 5:29 pm to
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 5:29 pm to
Any defensive stat with only one part timr player listed as below avg, and the rest listed as average or better is worthless. There is no damn way that only one player on our roster was below average defensively.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 9:48 pm to
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I am curious because I am certain Quarterman is shooting less than 10% for the season.


I really think the staff counted on him for more than they should have this year, but even still he has struggled more than I think anyone expected.

Hopefully he puts in the work in the offseason and develops into more the player anticipated.

Because he does have length and athleticism to contribute if he can bring the rest up.
Posted by Britgirl
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 9:52 pm to
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if you look at only the stats you would think mickey is a good defender, but in reality he is one of the worst defenders on the team. and I'm not sure what defensive stats for quarterman you are looking at that are impressive.


Exactly.

Looking at stats alone can be so deceptive because they don't show the details of the flow of the game in any way.
Mickey gets a lot of blocks, but he just swats away at balls/defenders as well. His stats show great amount of blocks. Does that mean he's a great defender? Everyone knows it takes more than blocks to make a good defender.

Likewise, it's dangerous to say what TQ's ability/productivity is, from such a small sampling. He's played relatively few minutes, so results are skewed.
To me the only way this works, is if you're comparing similar minutes and similar positions.

Perception-wise I think Tim comes out in the negative, both offensively and defensively, by virtue of how many bad decisions he makes.
These decisions may equate to turn overs, but not directly. None of this is reflected in stats.

I say stats are useful, but put them aside when you look at how VALUABLE a player is to your team, by what he does, how hard he plays, how he inspires, how many turnovers does he create?, how clutch is he down the stretch at free throws?, or game ending shots? etc.
NBA analysts call these "the intangibles" which may never be reflected in the statisticians records, but are evident when you actually watch a game unfold.
Posted by TNTigerman
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 9:56 pm to
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I am curious because I am certain Quarterman is shooting less than 10% for the season

Close.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 9:58 pm to
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Looking at stats alone can be so deceptive because they don't show the details of the flow of the game in any way. Mickey gets a lot of blocks, but he just swats away at balls/defenders as well. His stats show great amount of blocks. Does that mean he's a great defender? Everyone knows it takes more than blocks to make a good defender. Likewise, it's dangerous to say what TQ's ability/productivity is, from such a small sampling. He's played relatively few minutes, so results are skewed. To me the only way this works, is if you're comparing similar minutes and similar positions. Perception-wise I think Tim comes out in the negative, both offensively and defensively, by virtue of how many bad decisions he makes. These decisions may equate to turn overs, but not directly. None of this is reflected in stats. I say stats are useful, but put them aside when you look at how VALUABLE a player is to your team, by what he does, how hard he plays, how he inspires, how many turnovers does he create?, how clutch is he down the stretch at free throws?, or game ending shots? etc. NBA analysts call these "the intangibles" which may never be reflected in the statisticians records, but are evident when you actually watch a game unfold.

The guy can't shoot.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 10:01 pm to
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Mickey gets a lot of blocks, but he just swats away at balls/defenders as well. His stats show great amount of blocks. Does that mean he's a great defender? Everyone knows it takes more than blocks to make a good defender.


Exactly Brit. I keep seeing folks say our little guards are the problem on defense but if you really watch our defense that doesn't wash for me.

Our bigs are constantly poorly executing switches and rotations and don't even get me started on their on ball defense.

I see very little if any improvement defensively when the bigger lineups are in the game, zone or man.
Posted by Britgirl
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 10:46 pm to
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I see very little if any improvement defensively when the bigger lineups are in the game, zone or man.


Nor do I.

I get the most frustrated when Jordan, Jarrell and Tim move to cover a player and then for some inexplicable reason leave them again. JOB can be a guilty party on that to at times, but at least he does try to break up screens occasionally.

I've come to the conclusion that only defense I like LSU executing is the FC press. They should do it for short periods throughout a game IMO, even if we do have a short bench.

Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:53 am to
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I get the most frustrated when Jordan, Jarrell and Tim move to cover a player and then for some inexplicable reason leave them again.


Yeah Brit, ithas been extremely frustrating seeing the same mistakes on ball screens over and over again all year.

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I've come to the conclusion that only defense I like LSU executing is the FC press


And that's where Morgan being out hurts the most. He and Coleman together on the press were outstanding. It just isn't as consistently effective without those two out there together.

Whatever talent we have next year I think we need to re-think our defensive philosiphy or how we are teaching it and/or holding kids accountable for it, because there IMHO is a disconnect there.
Posted by Britgirl
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 10:11 am to
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nd that's where Morgan being out hurts the most. He and Coleman together on the press were outstanding.


Absolutely! It's a shame to see Malik on the bench.

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I think we need to re-think our defensive philosiphy or how we are teaching it and/or holding kids accountable for it, because there IMHO is a disconnect there.



Hsve not been able to figure this one out. My perception is that we were playing D in the non-conf. games? If I'm right I have no idea what could have happened.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:48 am to
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Hsve not been able to figure this one out. My perception is that we were playing D in the non-conf. games? If I'm right I have no idea what could have happened.


To whatever degree we were better OOC I think we were scouted and weaknesses identified and our adjustments to the scouting never caught up.

Certainly peronell is some of it, but it's definitely not the only issue.
Posted by Buddy Garrity
Member since Mar 2013
4224 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:50 am to
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Malone just needs an adjustment period.
fa sho. i have faith that malone will be a good player for us.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
15235 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:59 am to
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fa sho. i have faith that malone will be a good player for us.


Malone definitely has some offensive skills, but defensively and on the boards he's just not ready.

And given the struggles of our bigs at times at both of those things tells you how far he has to go.
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