re: Let us overanalyze the Rocky movies....

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The more interesting question for me is would Rocky have beaten Clubber the first time if Mickey would not have been dying? After being reluctant to train Rocky, Mickey seemed somewhat satisfied at the end that Rocky was ready and his last words of advice were to "take [his] time with him". Rocky was worried about Mickey and not getting good direction from his corner. If Mickey would not have been shoved, does Rocky draw Clubber into the 13th, 14th, 15th rounds and wear him down?

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I say had Mickey not been shoved. He would have lived. But still lost the fight with Clubber. He half assed his training. And was not in shape for the fight. As it is, even when Apollo trained him. They had to go for the quick knock out strategy. No way he could have lasted that many rounds vs Clubber.