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re: which OBer open carrying in walmart scaried a customer

Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by Mung
NorCal
Member since Aug 2007
9054 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:18 pm to
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Martin Luther King and the Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender cultures would disagree with that.


You're getting this backwards. You have a right protected by the Constitution. Blacks and queers were/are being actively deprived of rights. You can't seriously suggest that 2A activists endure even 1/1000th of the discrimination that blacks endured when King was protesting. Is anyone stopping you from voting, riding on the front of the bus, eating at the same counter, drinking from the same fountain as whitey? No one is stopping you from open carrying. Some are simply suggesting that you be a little more discreet, so as not to turn the tide of public opinion against gun owners. Kind of like the Hunter's Ed classes suggest that you not carry deer around on the hoods of your cars.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263198 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Some are simply suggesting that you be a little more discreet, so as not to turn the tide of public opinion against gun owners


Yep. Unfortunately some will see this as "rolling over."

1n the 1960's a lot of radicals learned their point of view could be better expressed by putting people in power, academia and the media than it could demonstrating and rioting. Years later, things people couldn't conceive 50 years ago have come to pass.

There are times to demonstrate and times to use discretion. Sometimes the former works against your cause. I think this is one of those cases.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:54 pm to
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You can't seriously suggest that 2A activists endure even 1/1000th of the discrimination that blacks endured


No I am not

Believe it or not, a correlation of events to review motivations, actions, and outcomes does not have to be 100% equivalent to be usefull.

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Is anyone stopping you from voting NOT YET, riding on the front of the bus IN SOME STATES, eating at the same counter IN EVERY RESTURANT IN SOME STATES AND IN A HANDFULL IN EVERY STATE, drinking from the same fountain as whitey DENPENDS ON WHERE THE FOUNTAIN IS LOCATED BUT YES?


You see the restriction of movement of a citizen who is legally in possession of a firearm due to perceived fear does have impacts.


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No one is stopping you from open carrying. Some are simply suggesting that you be a little more discreet, so as not to turn the tide of public opinion against gun owners


I understand that point. There is no reason to create undo fear or concern. However there is no reason to have undo fear or concern when an appropriately acting person is correctly carrying a legal firearm. By making an action increasingly uncommon, it sensitizes the public to that action when they see it. Much like a black man walking into a high end jewelry store in a predominately white area. He is going to cause fear. So maybe we should suggest he just stay out. On the other side making an action more publically visible and common desensitizes the public. Much like gay and lesbian parades and open PDA have resulted in increased acceptance or tolerance of that lifestyle.


Surely you can see that the development of community standards is based on the frequency of actions. When things become uncommon or foreign then the public sees those as outliers and is prone to vote restrictively.

For instance, I am a board certified family physician with a full and robust obstetrical training. The hospital I did residency at wanted me to stay on there but only for FP with no OB/GYN privileges because it had become outside of the community standard to have FP's provide that care in that city. It was and is legal for me to deliver babies and I am damn good at it, but provisions were written to limit my rights to practice because it became uncommon.



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