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re: John Fox disrespect.

Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:44 pm to
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What does Sean Payton coach? Offense. Without Payton, we were still #2 in total yards and #3 in points. Our offense did their job without Payton.



I don't agree with this. The offensive dropoff from 2011 to 2012 was massive despite the Saints still having a great offense. We had more 3 and outs in the first 4 games of 2012 than we had the entire 2011 season. The offense put the D in some terrible situations
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 6:45 pm
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:00 pm to
Payton is a really good OC turned good HC IMO. His demand for respect and accountabilty is what I like about him. Something I'm sure he learned from Parcell. The Saints were ineffective and questioned themselves a lot last season without him. With him back you could immediately see the difference, but I've always said without that Greg Williams attack style defense they do not win the Super Bowl that year.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 7:03 pm
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/31/14 at 7:12 pm to
What do you not agree with? We still were a top 3 offense without Payton in 2012. For the most part, our offense did their job. Might not have been the same way with Payton on the sidelines. But points wise and yardage wise, it was. Production wise we were pretty much the same.

And Im not saying we didnt miss Payton in 2012. In certain situations it would have def helped to have Payton there. Like on certain 3rd downs and what not.

But if we had coach Payton on the sideline in 2012, do you think our D would have been better? I dont. We could have won a game or 2 more with him, but we still would have been a .500 team.

We werent a 7-9 team because we didnt have Payton there. We were a 7-9 because we had a horrible D that was run by a horrible DC. And regardless of the system Spags ran, personnel wise we were horrible. We went 11-5 this year. And I dont think the turn around was all due because we got Payton back. Rob Ryan was the hire of the year coordinator wise in the entire NFL. And we went out and got some big time players in the draft and in FA. Kenny Vaccaro and Keenan Lewis came in and became 2 of our top 5 more important players IMO. And Rob Ryans attitude had a huge impact on our defensive players. He did a great job developing certain players and turning them into very good defensive players and getting the absolute most out of them. And did a great job in getting those players to fit his system.
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