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re: Percentage of net worth "invested" as equity in your primary residence?

Posted on 1/15/14 at 11:25 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90923 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 11:25 am to
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A house is a liability, not an asset.


While I understand this mindset - a house does appreciate (under normal circumstances) and usually holds its own against inflation - sometimes outperforming it. As you pointed out, there are risks associated with housing market downturns, etc.

However, to assess a home as a liability is extremely shortsighted - you cannot "make a living" from your house, - that's true. However, let's take an example:

Let's say housing costs - for rentals average about $650 per month for an area, and includes only the basic, sewer, water and garbage.

Buy a $150,000 house - once it is paid for, that is akin to an investment producing $450+ per month (because as the homeowner, I am deducting ~$200 for taxes and regular maintenance), it increases in value over time and you can get your money back out of it.

If that's not an asset, it will do until an asset comes along - I agree that a financed home - particularly one with very little equity, is a liability and most people under 35 would be better - financially - in a rental situation.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 11:28 am
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37880 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 11:56 am to
The way the OP worded his post indicated to me that he was going to buy a place MUCH more expensive than $150,000. I'm all for buying a home that you could be turned into a rental if he lost his job.

There isn't a right or wrong answer as different people have different paths in life and much different financial goals. I was probably a little harder on him in my post than I should have been.

Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9719 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:09 pm to
So far I have lived in areas with two massive RE declines. One in LA when farming and O&G imploded, the other here in GA more recently. A house, especially if someone needs to move, can be a weight of massive proportions. A house is somewhere to live, if you ultimately make a "profit" on it good for you. Most people do not track all the long term carrying costs of home ownership and if they did would come to the conclusion they lost money or broke even at best, especially if they love to renovate. Investing in public/liquid markets ensures someone can sell if/when they need to although it may be at a loss but then one gains tax benefits from losses in taxable accounts. RE is not like that unless someone is lucky, has well above RE knowledge or got a "family" deal reducing the purchase price of the house. If someone bought in a good area in ATL in 2010-2012 they would have to screw up royally to lose money, but that is an artifice of a massively depressed market making LT ownership much more appealing than in a normalized purchase environment.

I'm not against owning a personal residence, mine is worth less than 10% of my NW and it is nice and updated but far from palatial. Sometimes I really wish I had stayed in a condo that I was perfectly happy with that we acquired at 40% below market value from an estate, but the wife and dogs wouldn't have been happy. I have been pretty lucky with investment RE, but that could always change.

The 15 yr mortgage argument doesn't really hold water as a financially responsible buyer isn't going to overleverage themselves going in, and rates and HELOC/MTG qualification can change significantly in a short period of time with a negative impact on home prices. If a 15 yr mtg significantly impacts what one can save in tax advantaged accounts it would not be worth undertaking, either.
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