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re: Kornheiser: Nadal has removed Federer from the discussion of G.O.A.T
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:04 pm to ChiSaint
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:04 pm to ChiSaint
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No, I don't know it. Nadal is 0-2 against Ferrer in hard court slams (he also lost to him in the 4th round of the 2007 US OPen). Federer is 1-1 against Kuerten on clay. Using either as a meaningful measure of how good one player is against the other is completely retarded. I only raised the Nadal-Ferrer example to show the absolutely absurdity of you citing the 2004 FO as proof of anything meaningful.
The 2004 FO was your sole response to austingator's claim that Fed was a better clay court player than Kuerten. I could similarly use Fed's 2001 win over 4 time consecutive defending champ Sampras as absolute proof that Fed is a better grass player than Sampras (I mean they only played one meaningful match). But that would be dumb. Just as your bringing up the 2004 FO as definitive proof of something was dumb.
I'll ask you again to present an actual reasoned argument as to why you believe Federer is a better clay court player than Kuerten.
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:18 pm to bobbyray21
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I'll ask you again to present an actual reasoned argument as to why you believe Federer is a better clay court player than Kuerten.
Fed's record at the FO: (58-14, 80.6% with 5 losses coming against the undisputed best clay court player of all time. So 86.5% winning percentage against everyone else). 1 win, 4 finals, 2 semis, 1 QF
Kuerten's record at the FO: 36-8 (81.8%, so slightly better but he did not play a player comparable to Nadal). 3 wins, 2 QFs.
Fed has won 3 master's title on clay while Kuerten has won four. So overall, the stats are close but slightly favor Kuerten. The reason I say that Fed is a better clay court player is that he has played in the era of the greatest clay court player ever. The one time Nadal lost early in the FO, Fed won it. I strongly believe that if Nadal didn't exist, Fed would have won 3-4 more FOs. Whereas, there is no singular player that prevented Kurten from actually displaying more clay court dominance.
In short, if Kurten was playing from 2005-today, not only do I not think he wouldn't have won any FOs, I also don't think he would have made more Finals than Fed. And hence why I think it is reasonable to argue that Fed is the better clay player.
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