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re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?

Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:22 pm to
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Let's be fair now, did the OS movies do anything close to those episodes either?


You answered that with your next statement.

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I love The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country


Was The Final Frontier bad? Sure. TWOK, TSFS and TVH work as a trilogy, and TVH, while uneven and hokey with the "Save the Whales (literally)" theme, all of the character strengths remain. The characters were all intact, even in TFF.

I tried to see the intact characters in 2009, but all I found were 1-note jokes, unrecognizable "origin of" stories and big-budget special effects. It is a very pretty film, but beyond that - not Star Trek.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:02 pm to
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I tried to see the intact characters in 2009, but all I found were 1-note jokes, unrecognizable "origin of" stories and big-budget special effects. It is a very pretty film, but beyond that - not Star Trek.



I'm not sure it's legit to complain about "origin of" stories being "unrecognizable", given the 2009 movie wasn't a prequel to TOS. That said, if you weren't reminded of TOS and earlier movies by things like straight Spock telling Kirk how to remove gay Spock from command (all that was missing from the subsequent scene was Kirk calling Spock the dog-faced boy), or straight Spock telling gay Spock about the value of the Kirk/Spock friendship (with a Saavik/Spock-like "You lied" moment), the Kobayashi Maru sequence, Pike ending up in a wheelchair (one way or another), and so on, I don't know what to say. Even Nero was just a reimagined Khan WRT his crazed pursuit of vengeance against Spock. The very final scene, with Kirk taking command of the Enterprise after saving the universe and earning the respect of Star Fleet and most importantly, the Enterprise crew, was everything it should have been.

I was totally sold on the reboot, surprisingly so. The only thing I found really off was Scotty's pet. The primary 3 characters, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, are off to a great start. As for the crew, Uhuru is a real standout.
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