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re: After the 2nd viewing of each, TDKR >>>>>> Avengers
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:41 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:41 pm to RonBurgundy
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Not at all. Talia in her monologue explains the entire order of events-1)She escapes prison 2)LOS comes back to prison 3) Bane is banished 4) Talia leaves her father 5) Ra's dies Talia takes control of LOS puts Bane in day to day command plans Gotham attack.
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Talia: My mother name me Talia before she was killed, the way I would have been killed if not for my protector - Bane. I climbed out of the Pit, I found my father, and brought him back to exact terrible vengeance. But by that time, the prisoners and doctor had already done their work to my friend, my protector. The League took us in, trained us. But my father could not accept Bane. He saw only a monster whose very existence was a reminder of the Hell he'd left his wife to die in. He excommunicated Bane from the League of Shadows - his only crime was that he loved me. I could not forgive my father....until YOU murdered him.
Batman: He was trying to kill millions of innocent people.
Talia: "Innocent" is a strong word to throw around Gotham, Bruce. I honor my father by finishing his work. Vengeance against the man who killed him is simply a reward for my patience. You see, it's the slow knife - the knife that takes it's time, the knife that waits years without forgetting, then slips quietly between the bones, that's the knife that cuts deepest.
Where in that monologue does she say that she took control of the League of Shadows and put Bane in charge of the assault on Gotham? Is it implied? I don't think so. She simply says that SHE was there to destroy Gotham as punishment for Batman killing her father. Maybe Bane is the leader of the League of Shadows and, because he loves her so much, he goes along with her idea to attack Gotham?
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Without Talia, Bane doesn't have the LOS support.
And without SPECTRE, and the head of its organization, Grant and Dr. No aren't two of the greatest main antagonists in the history of action films. The main antagonist is the protagonist's main focal point throughout a film. Bane, and not Talia, takes up Batman's attention for the vast majority of the film.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:51 pm to RollTide1987
Exactly. Bane is the leader of LOS and is avenging the death Ra's out of his love for Talia.
I'm sure Talia and Bane had a means of communication during the 5-8 years she infiltrated Wayne Enterprises, but Bane ran the LOS and its operations.
I will agree that I did not like Bane's physical "death", but Batman had already defeated him so it was a moot point.
I'm sure Talia and Bane had a means of communication during the 5-8 years she infiltrated Wayne Enterprises, but Bane ran the LOS and its operations.
I will agree that I did not like Bane's physical "death", but Batman had already defeated him so it was a moot point.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
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The League took us in, trained us. But my father could not accept Bane. He saw only a monster whose very existence was a reminder of the Hell he'd left his wife to die in. He excommunicated Bane from the League of Shadows - his only crime was that he loved me. I could not forgive my father....until YOU murdered him.
So Bane is out of the League and Talia is clearly in. Ra's dies and Bane is accepted back in. Who do you think let him back in? Talia-the real leader of the LoS. This is implied.
ETA: Go to the batman wiki LINK
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The League of Shadows was an organization led by Ra's al Ghul in the film Batman Begins and led by Talia al Ghul in The Dark Knight Rises.
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Bane was a terrorist allied with the League of Shadows.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:10 pm to RollTide1987
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I honor my father by finishing his work. Vengeance against the man who killed him is simply a reward for my patience.
Funny how that is basically what Bruce is doing. Cool symmetry.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 8:11 pm
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