"He didn't beat them twice (I suggest no team could have done that) so he was ridiculed by some."

Whoa, now. This thread is about whether Miles qualifies (or will in the future qualify) as one of the greatest coaches of all time, not just whether "LSU is in great hands." What Miles was ridiculed for was how unprepared the team was in the NC game and how he made no adjustments to turn things around in the game. I think the vast majority of Tiger fans appreciate that Miles has done a great job and that he he has accomplished a TON at LSU. Strangely, though, he has also committed some of the most glaring coaching missteps that have ever been witnessed. You can appreciate Miles' tremendous success while also understanding that you have to take those mistakes into account when comparing Miles to all-time greats.

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Posted by yallallcrazy

Member since Oct 2007

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Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:58 am to N.O. via West-Cal

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how he made no adjustments to turn things around in the game

Unfortunately, I think what most people mean by this statement is a change in QBs. I doubt very much if amost of us have analyzed the film to see if we changed blocking schemes, etc, which in the case of the NCG would likely have been more important. We lost that game, badly, in the trenches. I mean, the worst arse-beating I've ever seen us take in the trenches.

Is changing QBs when thing are not going well in the trenches the be-all and end-all of good coaching vs bad? Really?

And look, I'm not a JJ fan. I think he was the worst QB in the SEC. I also think he MAY have been the best choice to beat Bama last year, and I think that is why Miles stuck with him so damn much at the end of the year--- trying to get him as good as possible before the NCG.

Bama last year ate pocket passers alive.

Now, we lost the game-- badly. But it is not all clear that a QB change would have done a thing in the world to help, and may have made it worse. Who knows?

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Posted by Labsolut

Wilmington, NC

Member since Aug 2009

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Posted on 9/20/12 at 8:59 am to N.O. via West-Cal

I think his point was that losing the game makes it much tougher to give him credit as one of the greatest, while it adds to Saban's credit as one of the greatest. From my perspective, the two best teams in the country, coached by two of the best coaches in the history of the sport, played a game that by the standard of the day, shouldn't have been played. LSU was a one trick pony offensiveley, playing the best defense in the country, and got beat on round #2. Les gets shite for not trying a bunch of desperation moves in the second half, and that is viewed as being unprepared or quitting. Personally, I would have at least given JL a shot. But, considering that LSU had been so explosive all year sticking to the game plan until things broke open, even in adverse games like UGA and ARKY, it makes total sense that Les didn't scrap the entire seasons strategy and preparation at half time. We might have won, or the final might have been 49-0.

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Posted by Mayhawman

Somewhere in the middle of SEC West

Member since Dec 2009

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Posted on 9/20/12 at 9:51 am to N.O. via West-Cal

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What Miles was ridiculed for was how unprepared the team was in the NC game

Why the double standard? Stoops, Saban, Meyer(FSU 31-7), Caroll (x2 in '09), among other greats have all had their turn at no shows, and vs much less talented squads than LSU faced 1-9-12.
Miles has navigated some treacherous waters since coming to LSU considering 6 of 7 NCs have come from his conference during his tenure here.