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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 5/16/15 at 8:45 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89680 posts
Posted on 5/16/15 at 8:45 am to
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Rhaegar died on the Trident, it is known.


Unless the rubies of the Ruby Armor were used to glamour whomever it was to appear as Rhaegar?

Why Mance = Rhaegar makes sense:

Both Mance and Rhaegar are known as accomplished musicians/singers.

Rhaegar would definitely be of King's Blood. We know for certain that Mance has outwardly appeared as others on at least 2 occasions - disguise at the King's feast at Winterfell (as a musician) and when glamoured to appear as LotB to avoid execution at the wall. (His son will be named Aemon, a classically Targaryean name).

A companion theory is that Halfhand is Ser Arthur Dayne.

Why I (and others) may not buy it:

His backstory is that he was taken as a wildling orphan and raised at Castle Black. He's more likely to be an early son of Craster, than Rhaegar, unless that story is complete bull$hit. Maester Aemon would know if Mance wasn't really taken as a child, because he's been at the wall for decades, but he wouldn't have any reason to out Rhaegar, either. Maybe there are no others old enough to refute the back story?

On the other hand, if Rhaegar was North - perhaps hiding in the gift or even beyond the wall, he could have replaced the real Mance - perhaps he found him dead from the Shadowcat attack?

But that's starting to get crazy. It is intriguing, though.

Particularly if Halfhand is Arthur Dayne. The evidence for this is much stronger. He taught himself to fight better with his left hand than his right (remember Dayne's prize pupil, Jaime Lannister?)

And, from A Clash of Kings-

Ch. 43:

quote:

Dawn had broken when Jon stepped from the tent beside Qhorin Halfhand.


Ch. 51:

quote:

They could see the fire in the night, glimmering against the side of the mountain like a fallen star.


quote:

Dawn and Qhorin Halfhand arrived together.


Could be nothing. Could be strong clues.

Does anybody sill believe that Ned, even with little froggy, frog man, could defeat The Sword of the Morning? The only swordsman Jaime Lannister is in awe of?

Ned was awfully vague about the details of the ToJ, with good reason, IMHO - because he didn't want to lie any more than necessary. Lying well is hard enough when you work at it.
This post was edited on 5/16/15 at 8:47 am
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
5925 posts
Posted on 5/16/15 at 9:04 am to
Why would Dayne hide out at the wall? I don't see that happening.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10050 posts
Posted on 5/16/15 at 9:08 am to
I believe 7 of the Norths greatest knights could defeat 3 Kingsguard members yes. The Rhaegar stuff is interesting, but doesn't make sense in the end game. Why would he want to abandon the prophecy that he helped create? Why would he allow his wife and children to be brutally murdered? Mance is to jovial to be Rhaegar IMO. He was already a solemn dude. I wouldn't think knowing that he ran away while his line was destroyed in terrifying fashion would make him a care free jokester.
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