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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 7/9/13 at 9:49 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/9/13 at 9:49 pm to OMLandshark
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I'd say its highly probable Aegon not only lasts WoW, but is sitting on the Iron Throne by the end of it. If he doesn't make it to the final one, then his introduction is 100% pointless.
Question for you guys.
Is there any way this all ends up with Jon or Danny as the "winner"?
I hate the idea of a character introduced mid story be the eventual "winner".
I'm a novice in all of this so mind my ignorance.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 1:15 am to donRANDOMnumbers
Yes, most things point to it. There are so many references, but probably the biggest "prophecy" chapter is Dany's visit and visions in the House of the Undying:
a man who looked like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon…What better name for a king…He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more…The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play;
This is one of my main reasons for thinking that the baby is Jon and the woman is Lyanna, not Elia. There are some holes but:
- "his is the song of ice and fire" makes absolutely no sense if he was referring to his son Aegon by Elia.
- "Aegon, what better name for a king?" One of the main arguments against the child in the vision being Jon is that Rhaegar aready had a son named Aegon. I've made the point that because it was such an important Targ name, and this was in his eyes the "prince that was promised" and the son that should be king, that he named him Aegon as well.
- "There must be one more, the dragon has three heads" The assumption by many is that he is talking to the woman and that the woman is Elia. I believe that he is speaking directly to Dany and showing her future husband and the father of her child.
a dying prince with rubies flying from his armor whispering the name of a woman with his last breath
I find it interesting that in these two visions (and other places), they say "a woman" and not the woman's name. You could explain that away since Dany didn't know who the woman was in the vision, so they had to say "a woman", but in the same sequence Rhaegar whispers "a woman's" name, and THAT Dany would have heard without need for interpretation.
a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd
- a fake dragon. This is Young Griff the "Aegon" that returns to Westeros with Jon Con and TGC and who has been hidden and helped by Ilyrio and Varys. I think that he is a Blackfyre. I DO believe that he will win the crown, but it will be brief. Jon and Dany will rule in the end.
a blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice
- Yet another reference in the same sequence to Jon and to him being Lyanna's son
And, here's one from the series. Even though I hated how they completely screwed up the House of the Undying, they have to have some idea from Martin on how this ends, so one would think that their version of the HotU has to have some significance to the story, right? So, what does Dany see?
- Snow on the Iron Throne
- Her husband and child at the Wall
- She quotes the curse from Miri Maz Duur which basically says when she will again be able to conceive a child. At the end of ADWD, Martin leads us to believe that she is having her period, which would mean...
a man who looked like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon…What better name for a king…He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more…The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play;
This is one of my main reasons for thinking that the baby is Jon and the woman is Lyanna, not Elia. There are some holes but:
- "his is the song of ice and fire" makes absolutely no sense if he was referring to his son Aegon by Elia.
- "Aegon, what better name for a king?" One of the main arguments against the child in the vision being Jon is that Rhaegar aready had a son named Aegon. I've made the point that because it was such an important Targ name, and this was in his eyes the "prince that was promised" and the son that should be king, that he named him Aegon as well.
- "There must be one more, the dragon has three heads" The assumption by many is that he is talking to the woman and that the woman is Elia. I believe that he is speaking directly to Dany and showing her future husband and the father of her child.
a dying prince with rubies flying from his armor whispering the name of a woman with his last breath
I find it interesting that in these two visions (and other places), they say "a woman" and not the woman's name. You could explain that away since Dany didn't know who the woman was in the vision, so they had to say "a woman", but in the same sequence Rhaegar whispers "a woman's" name, and THAT Dany would have heard without need for interpretation.
a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd
- a fake dragon. This is Young Griff the "Aegon" that returns to Westeros with Jon Con and TGC and who has been hidden and helped by Ilyrio and Varys. I think that he is a Blackfyre. I DO believe that he will win the crown, but it will be brief. Jon and Dany will rule in the end.
a blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice
- Yet another reference in the same sequence to Jon and to him being Lyanna's son
And, here's one from the series. Even though I hated how they completely screwed up the House of the Undying, they have to have some idea from Martin on how this ends, so one would think that their version of the HotU has to have some significance to the story, right? So, what does Dany see?
- Snow on the Iron Throne
- Her husband and child at the Wall
- She quotes the curse from Miri Maz Duur which basically says when she will again be able to conceive a child. At the end of ADWD, Martin leads us to believe that she is having her period, which would mean...
This post was edited on 7/10/13 at 1:25 am
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