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re: Arsenal 2012/2013 Season Long Thread
Posted on 10/3/12 at 7:26 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Posted on 10/3/12 at 7:26 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
If Ricky Gervinho keeps this up, he's got to stay in the lineup. But Giroud needs minutes too. Hope he starts versus West Ham.
Glad Ramsey got a goal. He needs the confidence boost. Really classy finish. The likes of which we haven't seen since we sold the chip master himself, Vela.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 7:48 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I read that 3 times before I realized you typed gervinho... I was confused as shite as to why you were taking about Ricky Gervais (sp? The comedian)
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:21 pm to cwil177
I would definitely take the following before Kos:
Lescott
Kompany
Agger
Vidic
Verm
Terry
I might put any of the following before Kos:
Coloccini
Cahill
Luiz
Heitinga
Jagielka
Skrtel
Per
(I'm probably missing someone. On my phone)
Lescott
Kompany
Agger
Vidic
Verm
Terry
I might put any of the following before Kos:
Coloccini
Cahill
Luiz
Heitinga
Jagielka
Skrtel
Per
(I'm probably missing someone. On my phone)
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:25 pm to Friend of OBUDan
quote:
Led the league in interceptions and tackles last year IIRC.
Means very little. Skrtel led the league in multiple categories, but he isn't a top CB.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:27 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:Beast, you'd should know by now, stats mean EVERYTHING on this board.
Means very little. Skrtel led the league in multiple categories, but he isn't a top CB.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:30 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Lescott
Plays in a great team, but I think Kos is a better CB. Also Lescott can't play the ball out of the back, and isn't a good passer out of the back.
I mostly agree with the rest of your list, except you excluded Hummels, who is magnificent and Thiago Silva, who is the prototype for the type of CB that Kos should be.
quote:
Coloccini
Cahill
Luiz
Heitinga
Jagielka
Skrtel
Per
I think Kos is a better CB than Jagielka. I don't think he gets enough credit for how good he is on the ball. His biggest problem is that he's suited to technical strikers and struggles against more powerful players. Hence why many larger CB's are more dominant than he is, but his skill set is as good as any in the world.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:33 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
Beast, you'd should know by now, stats mean EVERYTHING on this board.
To be fair, stats can assist an argument in a major way at times. The only problem is that the "most tackles, interceptions" statistics weigh so heavily on the tactics of the team. In a squad without a strong defensive midfielder, the CBs will benefit and make more tackles. Also, a team who is possession minded will also skew those defensive categories in someone else's favor.
So while they are good indicators of a players strengths, it's unfair to base an argument on them.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:35 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
Plays in a great team, but I think Kos is a better CB. Also Lescott can't play the ball out of the back, and isn't a good passer out of the back.
Lescott is much better in the air, as well as better on the ground IMO. His tackle % from last year was pretty ridiculous.
quote:
I mostly agree with the rest of your list, except you excluded Hummels, who is magnificent and Thiago Silva, who is the prototype for the type of CB that Kos should be.
Well my list included only PL CBs.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:47 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I'm not saying it's the ends all, but when stats reinforce what I've watched for the past year plus, I pay attention. His stats are likely influenced by the fact he had to clean up for the less mobile Per and marauding TV5 whose risks leave us hanging frequently.
I agree with crazy, he still struggles with powerful strikers at times but has definitely improved in that area. I'd rate Kompany, Agger, and a healthy Vidic (though that's far gone) over him. He's in the same tier as those others you've mentioned. I'd say he's better but it's impossible to prove definitively.
I agree with crazy, he still struggles with powerful strikers at times but has definitely improved in that area. I'd rate Kompany, Agger, and a healthy Vidic (though that's far gone) over him. He's in the same tier as those others you've mentioned. I'd say he's better but it's impossible to prove definitively.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 9:09 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Lescott might be a touch more sound defensively, but he's a little slower and a terribly slow passer, time stops when the ball comes to him and usually just ends up getting side or back passed.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 9:21 pm to Friend of OBUDan
quote:
Glad Ramsey got a goal. He needs the confidence boost. Really classy finish. The likes of which we haven't seen since we sold the chip master himself, Vela.
That finish was so cheeky
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:16 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Lescott is much better in the air, as well as better on the ground IMO. His tackle % from last year was pretty ridiculous.
Kos is pretty superb on the ground. Lescott generally plays in a deeper line, and is a last ditch defender. He'd struggle significantly in a high line as would lots of other very good CB's. Kos plays in a high line, and usually uses body position to prevent the striker from receiving the ball. He has speed rare for a CB. His reading of the game is pretty good as well.
I also don't think we should underrate how poor Lescott is on the ball. For a team that dominates possession as much as Man City do, that is fairly detrimental to their overall game.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:58 am to crazy4lsu
Fair enough. There is still a lot of things I don't particularly like about Kos though.
He seems undersized, weak and under matched at times. Also comes across as a disaster waiting to happen to me.
But he had a decent season last year and may be getting to that level many are suggesting. No way do I consider him a top 4 CB right now though.
He seems undersized, weak and under matched at times. Also comes across as a disaster waiting to happen to me.
But he had a decent season last year and may be getting to that level many are suggesting. No way do I consider him a top 4 CB right now though.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 12:08 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Kos is our best CB. Vermaelen makes too many mistakes but now he is our Captain so he won't be dropped. Wenger should have just made Arteta Captain.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 12:11 pm to DB10_AFC
I dont follow any club religiously really. I watch whatever games are on tv, except the shitty ones. Ive gotta tell you though, I enjoy watching this group for Arsenal. With all the departures things could have gotten really bad, but there is a new energy there it seems.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 12:34 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
In a league where small, quick playmakers and strikers are becoming more common, I think his skill set is incredibly useful.
TV5 is the one I worry about when it comes to disasters.
TV5 is the one I worry about when it comes to disasters.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 12:43 pm to DB10_AFC
Kos's mistakes have hurt just as much if not more this season..
If bould can reign in tv5's attacks just a smidge he's by far our best cb
If bould can reign in tv5's attacks just a smidge he's by far our best cb
Posted on 10/4/12 at 1:21 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
He's made one real mistake this season, the Torres goal.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 1:28 pm to Friend of OBUDan
The Mata free kick is on him too IMO. It looked like it was his role to clear a near post ball, and he really left Mannone out to dry by not taking that ball out of the danger zone.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:13 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I just don't see that. Thought there wasn't much more he could have done there with the manner in which that was whipped in.
Regardless, whether it's one or two is kind of pointless considering it's less than TV5 has made.
To be honest, I'm a little confused by your reasons for not rating him. Undersized height wise? He's 6'1 which is within an inch (more or less) of all those you mentioned outside of Per, Kompany, Agger, Skrtel and Heitinga. His build isn't bulky and he is a bit weaker than some of those. I also think some of those you mentioned have equal, if not more, capability for disaster. I think Kos still deals with the stigma from his first season, particularly the Birmingham miscue.
Regardless, whether it's one or two is kind of pointless considering it's less than TV5 has made.
To be honest, I'm a little confused by your reasons for not rating him. Undersized height wise? He's 6'1 which is within an inch (more or less) of all those you mentioned outside of Per, Kompany, Agger, Skrtel and Heitinga. His build isn't bulky and he is a bit weaker than some of those. I also think some of those you mentioned have equal, if not more, capability for disaster. I think Kos still deals with the stigma from his first season, particularly the Birmingham miscue.
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