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re: Is Mainieri on the hot seat for next year?

Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:20 pm to
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Off the bat, I think you're comparing apples and oranges in terms basketball and baseball.


you brought it up so addressed it

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I think it's a very convoluted argument you're trying to make in justifying how difficult it is to win the SEC baseball championship compared to an SEC basketball championship.


based on the talent from the top to the bottom eat is more difficult for us to win a SEC baseball championship, then it is for Kentucky to win a SEC basketball championship.

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I'd argue we are way past the point, as a program, where we should care about SEC Championships. Once you've won a National Championship in any sport, are conference championships still the measure of success? In football and basketball, probably because they haven't had the consistent and extensive success that baseball has. But for baseball, it's hard for me to think of SEC Championships as indicative, alone, as indicative of successful seasons.


not but calling for a coaches head after winning the SEC championship is also beyond stupid.

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I think it's a bit premature to state that, based solely on their performance this year, Kentucky and Miss. St are primed to compete for SEC Championships year in, year out. Also, Arkansas hasn't won a championship since 2004 so I'm not sure how you can legitimately argue they can compete for a championship every year. If you remove those teams, you've basically highlighted the same number of teams that can or are expected to win the SEC Championship


ok your correct, but I also don't see how you think that it is the case that SEC basketball is competitive as SEC baseball. SEC basketball is like the big east in football, we just aren't that good. Kentucky is great every year, and every once and a while a team challenges them.

in baseball 3 or 4 teams EVERY YEAR fight for the top seed into the last weekend, and all but 4 teams are in a possible race for the Title within a few weeks of the end of the season.

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I think it's a bit premature to state that, based solely on their performance this year, Kentucky and Miss. St are primed to compete for SEC Championships year in, year out. Also, Arkansas hasn't won a championship since 2004 so I'm not sure how you can legitimately argue they can compete for a championship every year. If you remove those teams, you've basically highlighted the same number of teams that can or are expected to win the SEC Championship


you are correct overstatement a little bit but the teams I mentioned are alteast in the race every year. Plus Arkansas has been a pretty good team sense 2004 they have made to Omaha a couple of times and are always fighting for the top stop in the West.

Mississippi State has a storied history.

Kentucky looks like an amazing squad for the future

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I think that's debatable.


not really SEC baseball is the toughest conference in the country in the baseball world. SEC basketball is like the Pac 10 in football back in the mid 2000s when only USC was good, or the Big 12 before the schools like OK state, T Tech, Baylor had great years.

SEC basketball just has no comparison to the likes of the ACC the Big East, the Big Ten in basketball. Kentucky will always be the best team in the SEC and will probably win it almost every year.

Baseball isn't the same. If you win back to back SEC regular season titles, you are one good team.

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Imagine if Mainieri was just winning SEC titles every year but never made Omaha. Would people be happy with that? Sure, we'd have SEC titles, but no trips to Omaha. At the very least, I think it would indicate that his talent or coaching wasn't meeting expectations if he was good enough to win the SEC (which is inarguably the toughest conference) but not good enough to make Omaha (which normally requires you not even having to play another SEC team).




not going to happen baseball is way to difficult to win year after year after year. I agree that making omaha is the ultimate goal and if we go year after year after year of not making omaha many people wouldn't be happy. But you fail to realize how much better this team has gotten over the span of one year. There is absolutely
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 8:33 pm to
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you brought it up so addressed it

I was making a comparison regarding expectations and a program's prestige. Not an actual comparison between the ability to win the SEC in baseball vs. that ability in basketball.
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not but calling for a coaches head after winning the SEC championship is also beyond stupid.

I never did this. So you've either got me confused for someone else or you've mistaken what I've said.
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Mississippi State has a storied history.

Kentucky looks like an amazing squad for the future

Miss. St hasn't won a regular season championship since 1989. At least Kentucky has won one recently. But I'm reserving judgment on Kentucky until I see them do it for another year.
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Baseball isn't the same. If you win back to back SEC regular season titles, you are one good team.

We haven't done that under Mainieri and certainly haven't done in in the past 2 years so I'm not sure the legitimacy of this comment.
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not going to happen baseball is way to difficult to win year after year after year.

Again, I was speaking abstractly to prove my point and counter yours. People are suggesting that we should be happy with SEC Championships. I offered the example of winning nothing but SEC Championships without ever making Omaha as an argument to illustrate the absurdity of basing a season's success only SEC Championships.
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But you fail to realize how much better this team has gotten over the span of one year.

If anything, this team regressed towards the end of the season. Also, I refuse to claim that a team improved when its comparison is to the previous year's team that didn't even make the postseason. Still doesn't answer the question regarding the depletion of talent.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 8:34 pm
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