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re: JJ has played awesome this year
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:05 pm to Geaux2002
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:05 pm to Geaux2002
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There are more irrational JJ fanboys than JL fanboys
Hmmmmm. I agreed with your entire post except this one.
JL fanboys are FANATICALLY pro JL and BLINDLY anti JJ.
Definitions:
Fanatically pro JL: People who see JL as the second coming of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning all wrapped up in one. They will give an excuse for ANY bad thing he does such as "...the sun was in his eye when he threw that pick 6" or "...because the wind was blowing 4mph it shook Lee's confidence" or "Les yanked Lee too quickly. It was only 2 picks in a row on the road in what may be the most critical game of the season. At the very least Les should have let him stay in till he threw a 3rd pick."
Then you have,
Anti JJ: Any and everthing JJ does, good or bad, shouldnt have happen because Lee should be playing. JJ throws a 50 yard td pass, Lee could have thrown a 75 yd pass and hit a dime in the WR'S palm while in midst of blinding snowstorm. JJ completed a nice pass for first down but Lee threw a tight spiral through 8 defenders at 100mph to get not only a first down but because he hit his WR in stride it turned into a touchdown.
This post was edited on 11/24/11 at 3:26 pm
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Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:12 pm to amarti9
Never mind fan-boys, Lee utilizes the teams weapons better and is light years above JJ when he is on his game but the fact that he won't take a hit bugs me to no end.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:18 pm to amarti9
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Hmmmmm. I agreed with your entire post except this one.
JL fanboys are FANATICALLY pro JL and BLINDLY anti JJ.
Oh I agree. JLee fan boys were a bit ridiculous. But Lee was never as bad IMO as JJ was for 9 week last season.
That said, while the JL fanboys may have been a bit more delusional, the sheer numbers of JJ fanboys outdoes them.
I look at it like 5 people that are 10/10 on the delusional scale, versus 100 people that are 8.5/10 on the delusional scale.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:22 pm to cattus
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Never mind fan-boys, Lee utilizes the teams weapons better and is light years above JJ when he is on his game but the fact that he won't take a hit bugs me to no end.
Not trying to pick a fight. But on your two points.
I agree Lee is very effective at utilizing the weapons around him........"better". BUT it is widely believed both within LSU and from perspectives of analyst, experts, fans or opposing coaches that JJ brings more versatility to the offense.
You know how people classify RB's as being either a "North-South" or "East-West/Side to Side" runner? Well Lee is definitely North-South because he can get the ball down field. But he cant run the option or is a threat to get to the perimeter. JJ on the other hand is. The playbook because more wide open for him and there are more things a defense has to think about when he is in the game.
On your second point what about when JJ is on his game? Remember the games against Georgia Tech? North Carolina? Texas A&M? When people compare JJ and JL they tend to look at one's BEST performance and compare it to the others worst performances.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:28 pm to ItsThatDude12
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I've seen JJ improve as a passer, and a runner. He's just a better player when he faces pressure.
I'm confident with him as our starter. He looks the part now.
you mean against the tough competition of WKU and Ole Piss
Did you watch the WKU game, because he looked bad and still making dumb decisions under pressure like that safety in the end zone.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:30 pm to amarti9
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On your second point what about when JJ is on his game? Remember the games against Georgia Tech? North Carolina? Texas A&M? When people compare JJ and JL they tend to look at one's BEST performance and compare it to the others worst performances.
If you want to get technical, JJ's history has almost always shown that he is a one half performer. In all of his big games, he's generally performed extremely well in one half.
Akry 2008, Ga Tech 2008, UNC 2010, Bama 2010, Arky 2010, A&M 2011
In all those games he performed well for a half, teams figured out how LSU was playing, and shut it down outside of the Bama game (they changed things up in the second half.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:31 pm to Geaux2002
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I look at it like 5 people that are 10/10 on the delusional scale, versus 100 people that are 8.5/10 on the delusional scale.
Aww naw its more like 49(jl)/50(jj) and the last 1(dont give a dam we won either way)
You probably see more JJ lovers around when he is winning or doing well. The JL people either ignore whats happening or pretend it was all a dream and next week their hero will rise again.
I will concede there may be more people preaching the JJ gospel than there are JL. But the JL people are so bias and so irrational you'd swear they were his mom and dad defending him. I mean people literally thought that JL's relatives had rant accounts and come on here to defend their boy. Who knows, maybe they do.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 3:34 pm to Geaux2002
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Akry 2008, Ga Tech 2008, UNC 2010, Bama 2010, Arky 2010, A&M 2011 In all those games he performed well for a half, teams figured out how LSU was playing, and shut it down outside of the Bama game (they changed things up in the second half.
And who's fault is that.......JJ's or the coaching staff?
JJ/JL dont make the gameplan or call the plays. They simply try to execute it the best way they know how. But if the gameplan is flawed and the play calling is questionable, in the end they are the ones who are seen as incompetent while the likes of Crowton gets to hide in the booth upstairs.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:00 pm to amarti9
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JJ/JL dont make the gameplan or call the plays. They simply try to execute it the best way they know how. But if the gameplan is flawed and the play calling is questionable, in the end they are the ones who are seen as incompetent while the likes of Crowton gets to hide in the booth upstairs.
Combination, but definitely mostly on the coaches.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:02 pm to amarti9
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Aww naw its more like 49(jl)/50(jj) and the last 1(dont give a dam we won either way)
No, I disagree. We aren't talking about the average fan that was just happy with the offense under Lee up until the point this season.
We are talking about the extremes, and there are for my JJ nutjobs than JL nutjobs. Slightly favoring one over the other isn't that big of a deal and is fine. Those claiming JJ is an amazing QB like the OP here, are just delusional.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:20 pm to TyOconner
quote:You obviously see something in JJ's play that I don't this season. Sure, in PAST seasons he has but not this season. Neither quarterback is perfect, but both bring something to the game the other one doesn't. I like them both and I want to see both of them on the field and playing their best. Geaux Tigers!
He just seems uncoordinated and nervous
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:39 pm to TyOconner
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he actually looks good
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I wouldnt go that far buddy.
Like when he didn't have enough"pocket awareness" not to take a sack for a safety against WKfrickinU!!He is awesome!!He really looks great!!Heisman material.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:53 pm to amarti9
Lee played great for 8 games and basically got benched after 1 pick...that's really the only thing that bothers people who support him
( which is fair, IMO anyway).
His leash has always been shorter, hard to deny that fact.
That said, JJ has played well, and LSU doesn't have "the guy" at QB.... or we wouldn't have been debating the topic for 2 years.
IF Arky or UGA (hopefully), are containing the run Miles likely goes to Lee, but it'll be later than some would have liked.
( which is fair, IMO anyway).
His leash has always been shorter, hard to deny that fact.
That said, JJ has played well, and LSU doesn't have "the guy" at QB.... or we wouldn't have been debating the topic for 2 years.
IF Arky or UGA (hopefully), are containing the run Miles likely goes to Lee, but it'll be later than some would have liked.
This post was edited on 11/24/11 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/24/11 at 4:59 pm to JohnLSU
You dumb asses that think Lee was torching defenses are funny. He threw for 170 or more twice all year. He had 98 yards against Oregon and was like 8/21 against Kentucky. You don't have to runn down JJ to prop Lee up.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 5:04 pm to JohnLSU
You people that say JJ doesn't go through his progressions are just regurgitating something you heard an analyst say once. First, you can see his eyes and know who he is looking at. Second, you don't know the play and it migHt be a 2 read and go play. JJ has done nothing but look decent. Just like Lee. I'm damn proud we have TWO CAPABLE QBS. I can't understand why y'all aren't. Do you know how many fan bases would kill to have 2 good qbs! GROW THE frick UP AND PULL FOR LSU. NOT JUST THE PLAYERS YOU LIKE.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 5:25 pm to ZTiger87
Yeah it's funny. Lee has all these DROPS and JJ has misplaced throws or incompletions.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 6:07 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Can we all just agree that college quarterbacks do make mistakes and both ours have made less of those than most teams this year. Both have looked good so far and I like that Jared isn't sitting on the bench with his head down. He is standing on the sideline waiting his turn to come in. 
Can someone get JL a shoulder pad that doesn't bother him so much.
Can someone get JL a shoulder pad that doesn't bother him so much. Posted on 11/24/11 at 6:10 pm to ItsThatDude12
LOL JJ will feel a bit of pressue this week, then we will know .
Posted on 11/24/11 at 6:10 pm to EastForkTiger
I really wish you rant are dumbasses would stop bringing up that damn safety. Hey Tom Brady did the exact same thing JJ did but Tom actually had more time back there. Both got a safety. So if one of, if not THE, greatest qbs on EARTH can take a stupid safety, why can't JJ. Its clear most of you haven't played football at a high level.
Posted on 11/24/11 at 6:12 pm to biglsufan
I honestly want JLee to start just so these dumbasses will let it the frick go. Neither qb is great. BE HAPPY WE HAVE 2 ABOVE-AVERAGE QBS.
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