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re: Getting paid "under-the-table"
Posted on 11/23/11 at 10:33 am to Cold Cous Cous
Posted on 11/23/11 at 10:33 am to Cold Cous Cous
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This is an incredibly narrow-minded conception of human behavior.
Perhaps, but I believe an objective observation of the real world shows it to be more the case than perhaps any of us is willing to admit.
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The reason I don't go 120 is because it significantly increases the risk of death,
Sure. But the reason you go 65 instead of 79 is because you don't want a speeding ticket.
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The reason I don't steal is because it's been ingrained in me since age 2 that stealing is morally wrong and, now that I'm an adult and capable of making my own judgment, I agree that yes, stealing is morally wrong. This would apply even if there was a 100% chance I would not get caught. I suspect the same is true of yourself, to a greater or lesser extent, even if (for some reason) you don't want to admit it.
Sure, we've all been taught varying degrees of what you are talking about. But let's not deny how relevant pragmatic concerns are. Humans respond to incentives. I go back to the story from last month of the Chinese toddler that was run over in the street and then ignored. It's very easy for us to sit here on our high horse in the 1st world where we've long since moved past the point they are at. But that's because the costs of helping a toddler in that situation are almost zero here. In China, the cost of getting involved is very high. You might want to tell yourself that you are so great morally compared to the Chinese, but you are not faced with the same real-life set of circumstances that they are.
Posted on 11/23/11 at 10:44 am to Tiger JJ
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Humans respond to incentives.
Of course. But not all incentives are economic. Some are internally generated, and they are particularly relevant to this discussion because the income tax is, to a large extent, self-reported.
The argument about the toddler is a red herring. I have no idea what you're talking about, but I assume it has something to do with a risk that helping the toddler would get you in trouble with the secret police or something. Obviously moral values are not some absolute trump card that overrides every other potential incentive, and the risk of getting in trouble with the Party is a serious incentive indeed. But those moral values are part of the equation, more, I think, than you're giving them credit for.
Posted on 11/23/11 at 7:56 pm to Tiger JJ
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But the reason you go 65 instead of 79 is because you don't want a speeding ticket.
Speaking for myself, I rarely exceed 10mph over the speed of surrounding traffic because that isn't terribly safe. I almost never travel under the speed of surrounding traffic b/c that poses an even more serious road hazard.
Fear of a speeding ticket has nothing to do with it. In practice, cops tend to pick out those who stand out from the crowd and the posted limit has little to do with their target selection.
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