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re: The misconception that Jefferson does not open up the running game....
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:04 am to filmmaker45
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:04 am to filmmaker45
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Lee came in late in the 4th Qtr against a physically beat WKU defense. I'd throw that out of the window. In fact I would throw all of last night out of the window but this entire board is having a fit over a lackluster blow out of a cup cake I felt the need to chime in.
I'm not talking stats here either, as the backs are sometime used differently when the two QBs are in. The fact of the matter is, you can clearly watch defenders bite on Jefferson, which gives a RB a split second to make that extra move. Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes the defense made the right call, but sometimes it does and to discredit Jefferson for that is just as unfair as most of the crap being thrown around between this meaningless QB discussion.
The stats I put up are for the entire season. They are for the first 4 games without JJ and the last 6 where he was a part of the offense. Please show me where he has improved our running game? If anything, he may have hurt it a bit, because we run packages now where Ford isn't in with Lee as much and all we do is run Ware up the middle with Lee in. It's pretty damn predictable and neither QBs fault. It's on Les and the coaches for shitty playcalling.
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 4:13 am to filmmaker45
JJ DOES NOT open up the running game! Defenses don't respect the pass at all when he's in! They load the box! He holds the ball too long and doesn't make quick decisions
Posted on 11/14/11 at 5:55 am to BigAppleTiger
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And Jefferson looked good cheering him on
Please stop with this crap. We never saw that last year. It's easy to be magnanimous when you've been handed the ball to start and play the entire game, while getting to watch the coach stomp on your rival for that spot once more. I'm surprised he didn't tell us he thought his Heisman candidacy was back on track. He had to be thrilled because Les took one bad game by the guy that took us to an 8-0 start and gave JJ his dream:
I Have No Regrets
Posted on 11/14/11 at 6:06 am to filmmaker45
jefferson has pics of miles and sandusky in the shower,end of story.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 6:07 am to EastForkTiger
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jefferson has pics of miles and sandusky in the shower,end of story.
Wow. That is just terrible and really not funny at all.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 9:41 am to BeeFense5
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Wow. That is just terrible and really not funny at all.
You gotta know that guy's been looking all week for an opportunity to use that one. He just couldn't help himself.
What would've helped him out even more is if it were actually funny, though.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:07 pm to GFunk
Wasn't meant to be funny douchebag
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:12 pm to GFunk
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LSU needs & has to run two separate offenses depending on whose going to take the majority of the snaps at quarterback.
When Jarrett Lee plays extensively, then you're going to see more power formations, which allows for different counters off of those looks (ala play action with vertical shots to the wide receivers, curl routes, etc) in the pass game.
This offense actually plays into Miles' preference, as he likes to pound opposing DL's with a ball control north-south game that physically punishes the opponent and wears them down late.
If you'll notice, Miles plays Ware in these situations more prevalently, & that's because Ware does a much better job with North-South, & finishes plays more often than not by delivering blows & issuing punishment.
When JJ is in the game, you'll see the Pistol a bit, but much, much more shotgun with one back. We run a lot of designed sprint option, predetermined zone-reads & outside zone running plays. This is because JJ's credible run threat makes a team defend these plays laterally. This is also why you see Ford in the game more often when JJ is the starter, because Ford is the edge back, which is where JJ's pitching if he can get his read to commit on option plays where he's reading a key or defender.
We run two different offenses with them in the game. With Lee, we may take up to 20-25 pass attempts if he's doing well and we're getting the right looks out of the D.
If JJ is feeling, we'll still only throw it about 15 times.
The pass-game is simply an afterthought. A potential gotcha that can only be used situationally from time to time, with typically mixed results.
This isn't conjecture. Its both statistical & historical fact. It's what we do, and frankly, its what JJ's limited to by his own abilities-or lack thereof, depending upon how you wish to describe him and them, respectively-within the pass game.
In all honesty, no one can say that Jordan leading our offense in 2011 brings more consistency & success. No one. Its obvious that though we started out slowly, this team on offense moves the ball better & we are more well-suited to put points on the board and possess the ball with Lee at quarterback.
In a more simplified sense, I think JJ may give you an offense that can yield a big play here or there. Lee may give you an offense that can consistently drive the ball while also yielding that same big play.
Not because one's better than the other, but its because one's skillset gives more balance to our offense than the other.
This is sound observation and analysis.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:17 pm to The312
maybe you guys are looking at it all wrong. miles doesn't care how many points the offense scores, he does not want turnover to disadvantage the defense. he doesn't want to throw a lot of passes and have 3 and out and defense back on field. he may not care who runs the offense the best but rather who is less risky. we will score some points on everybody with the type of talent we have on offense. OFFENSE DON'T SCREW IT UP, DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS IS OUR BREAD AND BUTTER./
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:24 pm to Larry Hollins
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Larry Hollins
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maybe you guys are looking at it all wrong. miles doesn't care how many points the offense scores, he does not want turnover to disadvantage the defense.
Lee's had 3. All year. 14 TD's 3 INT's is a disparity that JJ has never matched in his career (closest he came was 17-7 in 2009).
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he doesn't want to throw a lot of passes and have 3 and out and defense back on field.
Lee drove the team 14 plays for 80+ yards and a TD off the bench cold as ice, running JJ's package of plays. Our TOP with JJ in Bama & WKU was skewed bigtime by JJ's inability to keep the chains moving. 3 & outs? I'm taking you less seriously by the sentence.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:34 pm to The312
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In a more simplified sense, I think JJ may give you an offense that can yield a big play here or there. Lee may give you an offense that can consistently drive the ball while also yielding that same big play.
This has been my perception, whether accurate or not.
It seems as if we move the ball down the field methodically more often with Lee at QB.
It seems as if we get a big play or a stalled drive with JJ at QB.
They both can work. One QB, IMO, provides greater reward with greater perceived risk, although he has kind of bucked that trend this season. The other, low risk, low reward usually. But has proven capable of big offensive games, just not consistently. Miles is the one who gets to try and figure out when each is needed.
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