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re: 2011 Crossfit Games (ESPN 2)
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:30 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:30 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
At the crossfit place i work out, we had a top rounder (sec football) come train. He struggled, but if he had time to train to the workouts, he would kill it. The great thing about it is it trains across multiple areas and gives great workout. It is nothing special about workout, just demands training in that way. Takes normal movements in strength and endurance and packages it
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:34 pm to bamatiger90
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At the crossfit place i work out, we had a top rounder (sec football) come train. He struggled, but if he had time to train to the workouts, he would kill it.
This is the basis for my argument. Yes I used hyperbole and exaggeration earlier. But the fact remains...the higher quality/pedigree/whatever you want to call it that a competitor has, the easier this is going to be for them. However since there is absolutely zero incentive for successful professional athletes to participate in this, you'll never see it.
Again it goes back to my original Kenny Powers quote.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:38 pm to St Augustine
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You can't just gain endurance quickly, that takes years (and in many instances is never gained). I obviously think there are some football/basketball players who would be able to make the transition, but again, not as many as you think and definitely not any and all. I don't think guys like Patrick Willis would ever have a chance either. Guys like Wes Welker, Polamalu, Revis, etc would be the ones to switch over, and it'd take years of training to be able to compete at this level imo. I also think professional gymnasts, soccer players, boxers, mma fighters, etc would be the best candidates to switch over. Definitely not bball players and only a very small percentage of football players.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:52 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I coach CrossFit. We are part of a physical therapy clinic (one brother is a PT, the other is a trainer). We've sent two athletes to the games over the past three years. I have people ranging from an Army Ranger (back six mos. from Afg.) to a mother of three kids in my classes. Overall, it is a great fitness program that helps with mobility, weight management, strength and overall functional movements of life (lifting, sitting, squatting, running, etc.).
As for "professional athletes," here's a video of Knowshon Moreno doing CF at Matt Chan's CrossFit this summer (Matt is the guy who came out of the water first - water polo athlete in college). Knowshon's times on the workouts he scored there were very good, but not "world records" by any means - a couple of folks at our box beat his times. Granted, Knowshon only went for a month or so, but I think a few (maybe not all) of the CF Games competitors would at least be competitive against just about anyone in these workouts.
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FWIW, Erin Andrews is doing CF now... And, I gotta say...she can whip my arse anytime she'd like.
As for "professional athletes," here's a video of Knowshon Moreno doing CF at Matt Chan's CrossFit this summer (Matt is the guy who came out of the water first - water polo athlete in college). Knowshon's times on the workouts he scored there were very good, but not "world records" by any means - a couple of folks at our box beat his times. Granted, Knowshon only went for a month or so, but I think a few (maybe not all) of the CF Games competitors would at least be competitive against just about anyone in these workouts.
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FWIW, Erin Andrews is doing CF now... And, I gotta say...she can whip my arse anytime she'd like.
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 4:52 am
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:01 pm to trevolution
Good info 
A guy like Moreno would be just about perfect for something like Crossfit. I could see someone like him being great (if he ever put in the time/training). Obviously there's no reason for him to do something like that now since he makes millions in the NFL (which Augustine alluded to).
I still don't see guys like Patrick Willis or 85% of NFL players ever being able to compete. That's kinda like some of my dumb friends who swear guys like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Seagall, etc would whoop Chuck Liddell, GSP, etc IRL
A guy like Moreno would be just about perfect for something like Crossfit. I could see someone like him being great (if he ever put in the time/training). Obviously there's no reason for him to do something like that now since he makes millions in the NFL (which Augustine alluded to).
I still don't see guys like Patrick Willis or 85% of NFL players ever being able to compete. That's kinda like some of my dumb friends who swear guys like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Seagall, etc would whoop Chuck Liddell, GSP, etc IRL
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:06 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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I still don't see guys like Patrick Willis or 85% of NFL players ever being able to compete.
willis is 6'1'' 240 lbs, if he began doing working out in this capacity he would probably drop 10-15 lbs..there were guys on tv tonight that weighed well over 200 lbs...he'd be fine....as far as 85% of NFL players that's a bit excessive. Remember I said SKILLED players. NFL DBS, RBs, WRs, smaller linebackers would KILL this.
Knowshown's time was competitive after a few workouts, with the owner even saying "he's not a cross fitter"
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That's kinda like some of my dumb friends who swear guys like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Seagall, etc would whoop Chuck Liddell, GSP, etc IRL
not at all similar...but you know who would whoop guys like Chuck Liddell, etc IRL...faster, strong, more explosive, better athletes...like say Johnny Bones Jones
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
You are right -- right now, the majority of "elite" CF athletes tend to be around 5'10" / 190-200 lbs. That average weight is probably 10-15 lbs. more than it was a couple of years ago.
Because some workouts call for a long run (5k or so) and because the Games require quick recovery in order to do a succession of full-body workouts over three days, from what I see, a "light" running back would probably be the best transition athlete.
As for the purse, 4 or 5 years ago, if you wanted to do the Games, you just showed up the day of and registered. The winner got a handful of cash ($1,000ish). Last year, the winner of the CrossFit Games got something like $10,000. This year, Reebok picked up the sponsorship and the purse went to $250,000, and with the increased TV exposure, that number will likely go up. It will be interesting to see how the new money changes things.
Anyway, I won't bore you with much more. Glad you guys like CF. Hope you give it a whirl sometime...
Because some workouts call for a long run (5k or so) and because the Games require quick recovery in order to do a succession of full-body workouts over three days, from what I see, a "light" running back would probably be the best transition athlete.
As for the purse, 4 or 5 years ago, if you wanted to do the Games, you just showed up the day of and registered. The winner got a handful of cash ($1,000ish). Last year, the winner of the CrossFit Games got something like $10,000. This year, Reebok picked up the sponsorship and the purse went to $250,000, and with the increased TV exposure, that number will likely go up. It will be interesting to see how the new money changes things.
Anyway, I won't bore you with much more. Glad you guys like CF. Hope you give it a whirl sometime...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:25 pm to St Augustine
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tigerinstaugustine
Especially with that avatar the entire time I'm reading this thread, I'm visualizing this guy sitting at his computer going "truuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllll"
"hur hur"
Posted on 9/14/11 at 9:34 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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Jumbeauxlaya
Way to come in to a cordial argument with personal attacks...especially since I've forgotten more about the human body than you could ever hope to know.
Say what you want about me, but if you ever talk bad about big Phil, I will fricking cut you.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 10:36 pm to St Augustine
Didn't realize that knowledge of the human body makes you the master of what is and isn't a "sport"
my bad broski
my bad broski
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:07 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
another cross fitter eh
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:25 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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I still don't see guys like Patrick Willis or 85% of NFL players ever being able to compete. That's kinda like some of my dumb friends who swear guys like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Seagall, etc would whoop Chuck Liddell, GSP, etc IRL
You dumb son
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:42 pm to St Augustine
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I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising
This. Just because a guy can do 100 pushups in a minute doesn't mean he can catch a ball.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 12:06 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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I still don't see guys like Patrick Willis or 85% of NFL players ever being able to compete
...getting a little ridiculous now
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Again, name some of these basketball and/or football players that would smoke this field easily
Calvin Johnson
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 12:09 am
Posted on 9/15/11 at 1:28 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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I see both sides of the issue here but I do think those guys and girls competing in the games are athletes. The training and strength is in line with those in boxing and MMA and I think most would believe they are athletes. I think with the kinda cash that is on the line this year CF will definitely grow in the years to come also.
On a personal note I've been doing CF for about a month now and already see the difference in my stamina, strength, and more importantly my outlook on fitness and health. I recommend it to anyone wanting to get in great shape.
I see both sides of the issue here but I do think those guys and girls competing in the games are athletes. The training and strength is in line with those in boxing and MMA and I think most would believe they are athletes. I think with the kinda cash that is on the line this year CF will definitely grow in the years to come also.
On a personal note I've been doing CF for about a month now and already see the difference in my stamina, strength, and more importantly my outlook on fitness and health. I recommend it to anyone wanting to get in great shape.
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 1:36 am
Posted on 9/15/11 at 5:28 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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This. Just because a guy can do 100 pushups in a minute doesn't mean he can catch a ball.
True, but that skill would be among those trained and tested by CrossFit, so the guy/girl who can't catch likely wouldn't win the Games.
One of the skills tested at this year's Games (that wasn't on ESPN) was how far and accurately a competitor could throw a softball (they had to land it within a zone that I think was about 10 feet across). You had two chances to get a score.
Aja Barto, who played baseball at Tulane and later in the minors for the Rangers got no score on that event because he couldn't land it in the zone. The guy who won the first event (Josh Bridges (Navy SEAL)) also got no points on that event.
Most sports require specific skills. The goal of CF is not to make you "the best" at any single skill, but instead to make you "extremely good" at all 10 of the foundational elements of fitness (power, strength, stamina, cardio, endurance, balance, accuracy, coordination, flexibility and agility).
...one other guy who is a fantastic CrossFitter is Paul Smith, former NFL RB (played 8 years). One of the guys from our gym beat him in regionals last year because Paul couldn't do handstand push ups. If Paul had won that event, he would have made it to the Games, instead the guy from our box made it.
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 5:36 am
Posted on 9/15/11 at 6:26 am to illinitiger
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I see both sides of the issue here but I do think those guys and girls competing in the games are athletes. The training and strength is in line with those in boxing and MMA and I think most would believe they are athletes. I think with the kinda cash that is on the line this year CF will definitely grow in the years to come also.
I agree with you. They are DEFINITELY Athletes. My point at the beginning (which started as a Kenny Powers joke) is that these folks are not among some of the world's best athletes. Again, they are in PHENOMENAL shape, and work their asses off and they have great endurance. But I still contend that if you take someone who is NATURALLY more gifted and have them train for this would be better. Again, I have nothing against cross fit, and think its a great workout way to get in phenomenal shape for the most part(as a PT I have issue with maybe SOME people doing 2 or 3 of the moves and the potential for future injury, but we won't get into that.)
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 6:31 am
Posted on 9/15/11 at 6:50 am to St Augustine
I'm with you to a large extent, St. Aug. Even at 48 years old, Herschel Walker could quickly become an elite CF athlete, and with some training on the specific movements, he's someone that could potentially even win the Games (even at 48 years old).
That said, I think a lot of folks don't follow what CrossFit means by "the best" (CrossFitter-athlete). For CrossFitters, we measure "fitness," which is essentially "work capacity." There is a difference between "athletic ability" and "physical capacity" where one is realized and the other is not (at least "not yet"). Speal, for example, will always be an elite CrossFitter, no matter the competition (he's a former college wrestler).
I think you are hitting on it, and it really just comes down to how things are defined and measured.
...and yeah, as for your PT comment, some folks aren't ready for a full-on CrossFit workout, and that's why we scale things back for new people and/or people with limitations (lighter weight, restricted movements, substituted movements, fewer reps, etc.) I think it is one of the awesome things about our box -- being part of a PT Clinic, we have about 5 CF-certified coaches who are also therapists, so we have a fantastic resource to help people progress appropriately. Not all boxes/coaches really understand that, and that's unfortunate.
That said, I think a lot of folks don't follow what CrossFit means by "the best" (CrossFitter-athlete). For CrossFitters, we measure "fitness," which is essentially "work capacity." There is a difference between "athletic ability" and "physical capacity" where one is realized and the other is not (at least "not yet"). Speal, for example, will always be an elite CrossFitter, no matter the competition (he's a former college wrestler).
I think you are hitting on it, and it really just comes down to how things are defined and measured.
...and yeah, as for your PT comment, some folks aren't ready for a full-on CrossFit workout, and that's why we scale things back for new people and/or people with limitations (lighter weight, restricted movements, substituted movements, fewer reps, etc.) I think it is one of the awesome things about our box -- being part of a PT Clinic, we have about 5 CF-certified coaches who are also therapists, so we have a fantastic resource to help people progress appropriately. Not all boxes/coaches really understand that, and that's unfortunate.
Posted on 9/15/11 at 7:27 am to trevolution
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I think you are hitting on it, and it really just comes down to how things are defined and measured.
Fair Enough
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...and yeah, as for your PT comment, some folks aren't ready for a full-on CrossFit workout, and that's why we scale things back for new people and/or people with limitations (lighter weight, restricted movements, substituted movements, fewer reps, etc.) I think it is one of the awesome things about our box -- being part of a PT Clinic, we have about 5 CF-certified coaches who are also therapists, so we have a fantastic resource to help people progress appropriately. Not all boxes/coaches really understand that, and that's unfortunate.
Yeah, I've treated a few people who had an overzealous coach. It really made me wonder about the program until I met a few other coaches who were solid/knowledgeable. Is the crossfit umbrella planning on more regulation/quality control of its brand in the future?
Sound like you guys have a really good thing going on
This post was edited on 9/15/11 at 7:31 am
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