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Help with my response
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:12 am
My friend writes a blog in virginia (she's originally from Louisiana) and asked people their take on how to fix things. This was one of the replies she got
This is my response. But before posting, I'd like y'all feedback on anything I'm missing and/or completely wrong about. TIA
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how about not letting the industry write their own rules, for one? from npr, the thoroughly contemptible Halliburton is probably at the root of this with their shoddy cementing.
excerpt from NPR article
“Cementing contributed to half of the 39 U.S. blowouts between 1992 and 2006, according to a report that Danenberger co-authored in 2007. After that, the government pushed to change cementing standards, but let the industry write them. A cementing job done by Halliburton is also implicated in an Australian oil rig disaster last year that gushed oil into the Timor Sea for 74 days.”
my guess is that with most dangerous industries whose fallout impacts millions of people, it has to begin with stricter standards, and laws not written by oil lobbyists. similarly, they should not be getting out of punitive damages, like they are trying to argue. (if they clean it up they arent liable for anything else). if we had better industry safety standards and clear unavoidable and potentially crippling punishments, I dont think halliburton would be doing their shitty cement jobs with BP’s sign-off.
This is my response. But before posting, I'd like y'all feedback on anything I'm missing and/or completely wrong about. TIA
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Who exactly would you have write the rules/standards? That's like saying you would have somebody write rules regarding medical procedures who has never been to medical school. It just doesn't make sense. "The federal government doesn't own any drilling rigs. Everyone with the expertise to do these things is in private industry. No one in the federal government has ever built a containment dome. No one in the federal government has ever attempted to use undersea dispersants, or designed the "BOP on top of the BOP" solution that is being considered." You have to have experts in the field to design regulations and implement policy that is both effective and sensible, not Washington bureaucrats who would never dream of stepping foot on one of these rigs and living the life of a rough neck for even a little while.
Also, punitive damages and actual damages are two different things. If they clean it up, that doesn't mean they aren't liable for the actual damages that the thousands and thousands of gulf coast residents will be due for the blows to their livelihoods. Punitive damages add to that, a legal spanking if you will, to remind them we won't tolerate this type of behavior. You don't think they will have taken enough of a hit from the billion+ dollar clean up effort or all the bad press they're getting from this thing? If actual damages set people right, what is the need for punitive? Simply because it's the American way?
Another point, before jumping on your high horse about Halliburton, why don't you educate yourself about exactly what cementing is, and avoid regurgitating NPR like you or they know what they're talking about. Living in Louisiana, I have a highly vested interest in everything going on in the gulf right now, following the updates from the people actually in the field throughout the day. Nobody knows what happened out there, and the sad truth is we may never know. I've heard relief valves. I've heard cementing. I've heard human error. The point is nobody knows. So for you and NPR to take the statistics you have and jump to these conclusions is asinine. "Cementing contributed to half of the U.S. blowouts...." So if half of auto accidents after 12:30am are caused my drunk drivers, are we assume that EVERY driver that gets in a wreck is drunk? Its faulty reasoning. Yes, "Halliburton did the cementing on this well. No one knows if cementing was the problem. Halliburton was cementing wells before Dick Cheney was born. There are thousands of men and women, who have engineered well cementing for decades and all over the world for Halliburton. They are fine people who had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq. They are just good engineers who make difficult things happen well. IF the cementing turns out to have been part of the problem, it won't have a single thing to do with all the reasons you hate Halliburton."
Lastly, if you're going to post an article, read it. "Still, experts say that even if cementing contributed, it was only one of a series of failures that resulted in an explosion that killed 11 people and sent millions of gallons of oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico." Yet you say Halliburton is at the root of this. Use some common sense. Your article says some 20 hours before the accident, Halliburton was pumping cement into the well. Have you ever been around cement drying on a hot summer day? How long does it take? Can we expect cement a mile down and under the ocean to dry faster? I think not. Your article says oil was not supposed to be flowing yet.
Nobody wanted this to happen, specifically BP and "evil old" Halliburton. But speculation and uninformed gesticulating isn't solving or helping anything.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 12:15 pm to Skooter
After reading the NPR article, I don't see how you can say that NPR has jumped to any misinformed conclusions.
Obviously the person that wrote this has, but not NPR. You even give the article credit in the last paragraph. I would remove that part.
Otherwise, a pretty good response.
Obviously the person that wrote this has, but not NPR. You even give the article credit in the last paragraph. I would remove that part.
Otherwise, a pretty good response.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 12:32 pm to Skooter
if cementing has been an issue before, you would think that in the case of this well, they would have waited longer to start the rest of the process
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:13 pm to Skooter
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Nobody knows what happened out there
Simply not true, you and me both know that those instruments were sending the readings back to the engineers office.
BP and Transocean know exactly what happened. I'm goona look for an interview from a guy who was there. It's a must hear deal for anyone interested.
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:19 pm to the LSUSaint
Listen to both parts, very interesting for those who know how to read between the lines. Guy is and has to be very careful as to not lay the blame, but knows for sure.
LINK
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:20 pm to the LSUSaint
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those instruments were sending the readings back to the engineers office.
what instruments?
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:28 pm to lsugradman
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what instruments?
Every drilling rig has instrumentation of every aspect of the activity thats going on as far as pressure, mud weight, and many many more that I don't have the time to explain. All these readings are sent back via satelite to the engineers in Houston, or wherever, that can view everything thats happening as it happens.
There are many eye witnesses and experienced professionals that have pieced together exactly what went on and is still going on. THe blame game is just starting to leak out with comments from BP guys saying, "we are responsible for the cleanup, but BP was not drilling, Transocean was operating the rig and the drilling site"
Obviously, no matter what happened, the BOP (blow out preventer)did not operate properly but was operating properly on a test done minutes before the blowout.
Listen to the link posted in a previous post and you all will get a better understanding of the timeline of events.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:34 pm to the LSUSaint
I have listened to the interview and I know what instrumentation is on a drilling rig. With that said, how can you say that BP and TO know for certain exactly what went wrong? They may suspect a poor cement job that lead to the BOP becoming somehow disabled but i doubt they know for certain what went wrong and who is at fault. Halliburton is in charge of the cementing but BP makes the call to run a CBL or not. So is it BP who screwed up or HAL? The BOPs were tested fine but they didnt close when needed to. Why not?
Posted on 5/6/10 at 4:45 pm to the LSUSaint
Dude, just because some dude who was on the rig says something doesn't mean a thing. Yes, he sounds educated, but for all we know he could be a hand and they are like typical labor in any oilfield or construction discipline. They think they know what is going on but in reality they don't have a clue. My grandfather was a company man my entire life and he retired about 7 years or so ago. I was talking to him and he said we would hear and read so many things about what happened or people on the rig saying what happened. He said only a handful of people on any rig REALLY know what is going on or how to read what is going on. He also said no matter the cause, someone was asleep at the wheel for that thing to have blown out. Either they set the alarms to too high of tolerances, or someone was not paying attention because at those depths they had enough time to stop this thing before it got to the platform.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 5:09 pm to Marlo Stanfield
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Obviously, no matter what happened, the BOP (blow out preventer)did not operate properly but was operating properly on a test done minutes before the blowout.
Hmmmmm rolled the charts maybe??
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:41 pm to purpleNgoldsaint
To all with experience, if you do not think that they know what specifically went wrong, then you are fooling yourself.
The problem is a few different things had to fail to reach this level of complete failure for lack of a better discription. The BOP's are controled by humans for the most part, but the dead-mans-switch should also kick it.
We are talking many many BILLIONS. They are treading lightly with interviews. Don't yo think it's funny it took almost 36-48 hours for the crews that survived to be let loose to return to their families?
Look, you got Transcean's rig and men, you have Haliburton's cementing, you got Cameron's BOP, you have BP's operations/well ownership.
That is at least three of the largest companies in their field in the world! ALthough BP has their name is splattered all over this and they have the money on hand to [ay for this cleanup, I would think they have the LEAST amount of liability for the problem happenning. I think they've done great handling this so far knowing they really had nothing to do with the falures that lead to the spill. I've already heard one BP guy say "we weren't the drilling company"
This will get good from the legal standpoint of ironing this out.
The problem is a few different things had to fail to reach this level of complete failure for lack of a better discription. The BOP's are controled by humans for the most part, but the dead-mans-switch should also kick it.
We are talking many many BILLIONS. They are treading lightly with interviews. Don't yo think it's funny it took almost 36-48 hours for the crews that survived to be let loose to return to their families?
Look, you got Transcean's rig and men, you have Haliburton's cementing, you got Cameron's BOP, you have BP's operations/well ownership.
That is at least three of the largest companies in their field in the world! ALthough BP has their name is splattered all over this and they have the money on hand to [ay for this cleanup, I would think they have the LEAST amount of liability for the problem happenning. I think they've done great handling this so far knowing they really had nothing to do with the falures that lead to the spill. I've already heard one BP guy say "we weren't the drilling company"
This will get good from the legal standpoint of ironing this out.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:07 pm to the LSUSaint
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you have Haliburton's cementing
What the hell does Haliburton's cementing have to do with this. BP tells them how they want it cemented and Haliburton mixes and pumps the cement to BP's specs. After all of that the well was tested and it held!
It's not Haliburton's fault BP decided to displace the well with sea water and it came in and blew out. It's not Haliburton's fault the stack failed or the crew was not a alert.
This could have been any cement company Haliburton just happen to have the contract.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 9:32 am to offshoretrash
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What the hell does Haliburton's cementing have to do with this. BP tells them how they want it cemented and Haliburton mixes and pumps the cement to BP's specs. After all of that the well was tested and it held!
Easy Mr Cheney! It's a little more complicated than that, but Haliburton is involved, even with your Liability-free thought process.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 9:37 am to the LSUSaint
Well then I guess they need to get Cameron, MI Swaco, and ever other compnay involved with this rig and well. Hell lets sue the dead men's family you know they are gonna get a big settlement it'll be like a dog chasing its tail round and round the sueing goes.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 10:54 am to offshoretrash
I'm really not being a smartass, but every single company that had anything on that rig will be mentioned in the law suits as "et al"
That's how these types of cases are handled. The court themselves decides which companies to exclude form the suit.
That's how these types of cases are handled. The court themselves decides which companies to exclude form the suit.
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