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re: QB Play: NOT the Major Problem w/the Offense (statistical support)

Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:27 pm to
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:27 pm to
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Honestly the point of the thread isn't even really JJ. It's the pathetic rushing attack from last season.


and this is where the line gets drawn in this debate.

Anything to take the attention away from JJ.

Not his fault he is inaccurate.
Not his fault he pouts.
Not his fault he gets sacked after ample time in the pocket.
Not his fault he looks lost half the time.
Not his fault he looked like shite in his JR season spring game (even though lack of running game didnt apply)
Its the coaches, olines, rbs, recievers, and his mom and dads fault for not having him a yr sooner b/c damnit he is only 19.

The luxuary of being able to blame everything besides JJ is coming to end real soon.
This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:28 pm
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:33 pm to
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Not his fault he is inaccurate.


He had the second highest comp.% in the SEC last year. Care to take a guess what Lee's was in '08

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Not his fault he pouts.


Jesus

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Not his fault he gets sacked after ample time in the pocket.


Lee had half the number interceptions as Jefferson has sacks. Let that sink in for second.

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Not his fault he looks lost half the time.


Now you're just reaching

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Not his fault he looked like shite in his JR season spring game (even though lack of running game didnt apply)



This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:35 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:43 pm to
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Not his fault he is inaccurate.


He's not.

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Not his fault he gets sacked after ample time in the pocket.


Not always ample time.

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Not his fault he looked like shite in his JR season spring game


Meh.

Posted by matt314
Member since Oct 2009
183 posts
Posted on 4/20/10 at 10:14 pm to
I'll only post one stat... #110. Let's dispense with the myth of the unstoppable '07 o-line.

LSU had Hitt starting at guard in '07. Did Flynn's intangibles make him better? Do you remember Stewart at right tackle. Pretty good run blocker but absolutely awful in pass protection. Guess nobody watched the opener against MSU or the TU and AU game that year. He was a revolving door. And we had the same left tackle in '07 with far less experience.

Same tight end in Richard Dickson with less experience. Lafell with less experience and a major case of the dropsies. Remember the volleyball pass to the defender in the AU game. TT replacing D Byrd and Randle and C Tolliver replacing Doucet, certainly a downgrade there but by '09 our WR's had learned to line up properly. Good job Coach Mac! Scott and Williams were major contributors with less experience. In '09 we still had Trindon for a change of pace along with Shepard, and Dangelo Peterson as the second tight end instead of Zinger. Of course we had Hester in '07 but many think Scott was far better and let's not forget Quinn, who I thought was a big loss but only in the ISO.

So this means that despite having an overall more experienced team (Hitt and Stewart were first year players in '07 and new to the position), two years in the Crowton system, and an easier schedule, it was the loss of Helms, Big Herm, and Quinn that caused us to drop about more about 80 spots in the offensive rankings. We went from one of the most (or the most) prolific offenses in LSU history to one of the absolute worst, and we have the DATA to prove it. Man oh man, Brett, Herm, and Quinn were some good. Surprising that none of them are starting at the next level.

Another possibility might be that it was some of this, included with some clueless coaching, an inability to adjust either due to pigheadedness or personnel limitations, and also a lot of simply atrocious quarterbacking from both JJ and JL. That gets my vote, along with quarterbacking being the major issue.

And I'd wager that if either JJ or JL or both don't have a major epiphany by the time the SEC schedule starts this year that things will get only marginally better. Yes, we'll be better on offense. After all, how much worse can the offense be?

We'll run better (we could have last year with the right guys playing). Our D will keep us close. But we still show no sign of having a quality QB, and all teams will just stack 9 folks up front and good teams will mix in blitzes with zone drops and wait for JJ to finish looking at whatever he looks at when he drops back to sack him or for JL to throw a quick slant behind or over the receiver. Get that red zone D ready Chief!!

And Dan... work up the data between Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn and send it to Mike McCarthy at Green Bay. If you think that your stats can show that JJ is comparable to Flynn wait until he sees how outclassed Matt is by Brian Brohm. Talk about a statistical mismatch! Can't understand why Brohm is the one on the practice squad.

But some guys like McCarthy with an agenda for winning just can't see the facts the data indisputably shows them.
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