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An Earlier Thread Asked How We Decided on Miles
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:12 pm
I think this is how it went down.
When Les was hired Skip was dealing w/ the departure of Saban. There was a tremendous amount of friction between Saban and Skip. Skip wanted to be top dawg around LSU and Nick never gave him that respect. Nick did his own thing, got his own facilities and did not work through Bertman. Nick built the program in to what it is. And after Nick won the MNC, Skip knew he'd never be able to control Nick. Nick did not see Skip as his boss. He saw Emeritt as his boss and rightfully so. This situation was similar to the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson situation in Dallas.
Any, Skip wanted a guy that would take 2nd fiddle to him and Les Miles happened to be there. Les also had enjoyed moderate success at OSU and had beaten OU a couple of times. Further that year, the search was very late in the year and many of the big name candidates were no longer available.
And there you have it. I honestly believe and have heard this from others, that this is what transpired.
When Les was hired Skip was dealing w/ the departure of Saban. There was a tremendous amount of friction between Saban and Skip. Skip wanted to be top dawg around LSU and Nick never gave him that respect. Nick did his own thing, got his own facilities and did not work through Bertman. Nick built the program in to what it is. And after Nick won the MNC, Skip knew he'd never be able to control Nick. Nick did not see Skip as his boss. He saw Emeritt as his boss and rightfully so. This situation was similar to the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson situation in Dallas.
Any, Skip wanted a guy that would take 2nd fiddle to him and Les Miles happened to be there. Les also had enjoyed moderate success at OSU and had beaten OU a couple of times. Further that year, the search was very late in the year and many of the big name candidates were no longer available.
And there you have it. I honestly believe and have heard this from others, that this is what transpired.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 4:13 pm
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:13 pm to specs1
I hurd it was eenie-meenie-miny-moe.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:15 pm to specs1
quote:
I think this is how it went down
This is pretty much correct. He was a good hire at that time and place.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:16 pm to specs1
I heard if a frog had wings it would not bump its arse.
This sounds like BS.
This sounds like BS.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:17 pm to specs1
Who knows. And it doesnt matter now anyway.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:17 pm to BigAlBR
quote:
He was a good hire at that time and place.
eeeee, more like, "well ok, if thats all thats left" kinda hire.
Miles was the fat ugly chick at the bar at 4:00am.
It was better than getting nothing..
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:18 pm to biglego
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Who knows. And it doesnt matter now anyway.
The OP is correct. And you are correct as well. It doesn't matter.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:19 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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eeeee, more like, "well ok, if thats all thats left" kinda hire.
Miles was the fat ugly chick at the bar at 4:00am.
It was better than getting nothing..
Miles took a solid team, honed it, and won a NC. He was a good hire. It is time for him to move on at this point.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:20 pm to BigAlBR
sounds like how Jerry Jones picks coaches for the Cowboys
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:22 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
quote:But, but she looked good through beer goggles...
eeeee, more like, "well ok, if thats all thats left" kinda hire.
Miles was the fat ugly chick at the bar at 4:00am.
It was better than getting nothing
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:31 pm to specs1
Don't know about Skip and Saban relationship, but how we searched for a Coach is summed up correctly.
We looked at Petrino, and Louisville almost melted down, threatening to fire Petrino if he so much as blinked at LSU.
Skip and others did go to Jacksonville, Florida to speak with Jack del Rio. He was interested, but the owner told him that if he talked to LSU, he was out of a job.
Pickin's became slim. Les Miles was a reasonable option at the time. Similar to Saban when he was at Michigan State.
Miles won 10 games a year for three years in a row and our fans were still restless. Why? Execution on the offensive side of the football was "off" a bit, not sloppy like these last two years, just tilting that way, but with 10 win seasons and blow out bowls, including a NC, then Miles was pretty secure.
Weak execution of the football team in different areas has been a trademark for Miles. That is why the fans have been restless all these years. When Saban's disciplined players graduated and moved on, then sloppiness escalated to the point of where it is now.
Miles created the show he is in. Not the fans. He has been paid lots of money and won an NC, so if he can not produce a disciplined product on the field, then that's his problem, not the fans.
Eventually, poor execution catches up with a team. That is was is happening here. Everyone can try to explain why, but the bottom line is, this LSU football team belongs to Les Miles and for the last two years, execution on the field has been way below any standard of acceptability, regardless of talent.
Even with the defense producing "improved" results, our defense manages to stay on the field way too long, thus providing two terrible consequences: 1. The defense is burned out by the fourth quarter. 2. The offense only gets 50 plays a game.
LSU fans will back their team all the way to the bottom of the trenches if effort and execution is there. Effort slipped last year and has begun slipping since Alabama this year. The slipping effort is directly attributable to poor execution, which is Les Miles' responsibility.
We looked at Petrino, and Louisville almost melted down, threatening to fire Petrino if he so much as blinked at LSU.
Skip and others did go to Jacksonville, Florida to speak with Jack del Rio. He was interested, but the owner told him that if he talked to LSU, he was out of a job.
Pickin's became slim. Les Miles was a reasonable option at the time. Similar to Saban when he was at Michigan State.
Miles won 10 games a year for three years in a row and our fans were still restless. Why? Execution on the offensive side of the football was "off" a bit, not sloppy like these last two years, just tilting that way, but with 10 win seasons and blow out bowls, including a NC, then Miles was pretty secure.
Weak execution of the football team in different areas has been a trademark for Miles. That is why the fans have been restless all these years. When Saban's disciplined players graduated and moved on, then sloppiness escalated to the point of where it is now.
Miles created the show he is in. Not the fans. He has been paid lots of money and won an NC, so if he can not produce a disciplined product on the field, then that's his problem, not the fans.
Eventually, poor execution catches up with a team. That is was is happening here. Everyone can try to explain why, but the bottom line is, this LSU football team belongs to Les Miles and for the last two years, execution on the field has been way below any standard of acceptability, regardless of talent.
Even with the defense producing "improved" results, our defense manages to stay on the field way too long, thus providing two terrible consequences: 1. The defense is burned out by the fourth quarter. 2. The offense only gets 50 plays a game.
LSU fans will back their team all the way to the bottom of the trenches if effort and execution is there. Effort slipped last year and has begun slipping since Alabama this year. The slipping effort is directly attributable to poor execution, which is Les Miles' responsibility.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:33 pm to specs1
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Any, Skip wanted a guy that would take 2nd fiddle to him and Les Miles happened to be there. Les also had enjoyed moderate success at OSU and had beaten OU a couple of times. Further that year, the search was very late in the year and many of the big name candidates were no longer available.
i cant get over the level of disrespect alleged LSU fans have for LSU. how ungrateful some of you are. forget what he did with baseball, as an AD Skip hired Miles (NC), Maineiri (NC), Pokey Chapman (3 final fours) and Van Chancellor (1 final four). i dare you to find anyone with a hiring record that good. you can find fault if you like but to pretend Skip didnt care and only wanted a yes man for football is pathetic.
and there you have it. i honestly believe you're a piece of shite.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:35 pm to mrbayoublu
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We looked at Petrino, and Louisville almost melted down, threatening to fire Petrino if he so much as blinked at LSU. Skip and others did go to Jacksonville, Florida to speak with Jack del Rio. He was interested, but the owner told him that if he talked to LSU, he was out of a job. Pickin's became slim. Les Miles was a reasonable option at the time. Similar to Saban when he was at Michigan State.
this is way more factual than the shite spewed by Specs1.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:35 pm to BigAlBR
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This is pretty much correct. He was a good hire at that time and place.
bullshite. He was a terrible hire. Saban recommended Nutt, which would have been at worst a decent hire, maybe not a homerun, but a good caretaker of what had been established. Miles has been a disaster. His NC was a fluke of epic proportions ... a combination of an overwhelming talent advantage over almost every opponent and an incredible run of good luck. I'll give him his due on this one point - he had a good gameplan for Ohio State and the team executed well. Absent that, he has been a complete fraud, finally exposed this week for all the world to see. I just can't believe it took this long to bite him in the arse. All of the stupid decisions, like "going for the win" against Auburn, never seemed to backfire on him. His luck has run out. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him and his absurdly high buyout for quite some time. Welcome to mediocrity Tiger fans.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:36 pm to specs1
quote:Then he put him on a plane on the eve of the SECCG game to go lobby the Cotton Bowl. NO WAY Saban would've left his/our team. Would've been preparing.
Any, Skip wanted a guy that would take 2nd fiddle to him and Les Miles happened to be there.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:42 pm to LJBurton
At the time, there was no "glaring" candidate that we passed on to get Miles. Miles appeared to be the "safe" candidate.
Based on results during his first 3 years, who could argue. Three ten win seasons and NC.
I do not, nor will I ever suggest that LSU's NC was a fluke and I wish people would quit saying that. It degrades the championship effort the team gave and the "communication" job Les did selling the the media that LSU was the "best", even with a 10-2 record.
I'm not defending MIles. I wish they would have canned him this week. But results are results, and ultimately, not opinions but results get coaches hired or fired. Miles' results will eventually get him fired. I just hate to wait for things to go downhill before we change.
Based on results during his first 3 years, who could argue. Three ten win seasons and NC.
I do not, nor will I ever suggest that LSU's NC was a fluke and I wish people would quit saying that. It degrades the championship effort the team gave and the "communication" job Les did selling the the media that LSU was the "best", even with a 10-2 record.
I'm not defending MIles. I wish they would have canned him this week. But results are results, and ultimately, not opinions but results get coaches hired or fired. Miles' results will eventually get him fired. I just hate to wait for things to go downhill before we change.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:47 pm to Geauxtiga
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NO WAY Saban would've left his/our team
Kinda like he did before the Capital One Bowl?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:48 pm to mrbayoublu
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I do not, nor will I ever suggest that LSU's NC was a fluke and I wish people would quit saying that. It degrades the championship effort the team gave and the "communication" job Les did selling the the media that LSU was the "best", even with a 10-2 record.
Listen, I was in the Dome screaming as loud as anyone. The fact that we won that game was certainly not a fluke. Miles had the team well prepared for that one. He and they deserved the win and the NC that came with it.
The fluke part is that everything, and I mean everything, had to fall just right for that to happen. Both losses that year were to inferior teams. The Arkansas game in particular was a bad, bad coaching job. In a normal year, we never make that game.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:49 pm to mrbayoublu
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At the time, there was no "glaring" candidate that we passed on to get Miles.
I believe Petrino was passed on since he admitted to having NFL aspirations. But who knows 3 years in he may have changed his mind after looking at Saban or how good he had at this place. Even if he had left after 2007 season we would not be in a much worse situation than now.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:49 pm to mrbayoublu
Skip also brought in Smoke Laval....Real pretty hire there
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