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re: Ancient civilizations. Y or N?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:36 pm to Dave Worth
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:36 pm to Dave Worth
quote:and funerals and musical instruments.
Neanderthals were around for 300,000 years. Had religion and language.
quote:Yes there is. In fact, there are signs of early cultivation to the south in what is now Israel, the 23,000 year old Ohalo 2 site at the southern shore of the Sea of Gallilee. It was a hunter gatherer settlement but it was year-round, not seasonal.
there is no evidence of agriculture in the area from that time period.
Researchers found a mix of wild and domesticated serials at the site, indicating the earliest known attempt but not necessarily perfection of systematic crop cultivation.
Geneticists have long known that the origin of domesticated wheat is about 30km from where Gobekli Tepe is, and systematic production of food would have been necessary for people to not only build what we now know are hundreds of circular enclosure sites like GT, but to also occupy them for millennia.
The interesting thing for me is that the DNA in GT et al originates in Siberia, from about 25k years ago.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:15 pm to blueboy
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Yes there is. In fact, there are signs of early cultivation to the south in what is now Israel, the 23,000 year old Ohalo 2 site at the southern shore of the Sea of Gallilee.
I find this interesting. For the most part I've approached this at looking at Hancock's claims of a global civilization 10-12K years ago wiped out in the Younger Dryas. From everything I've read there is no evidence of this...just claims it can't be proven there wasn't. The debate pretty much put that to rest for me once it seemed clear there would be some evidence still left.
Does the same hold true if you go back another 10K, 20K, 50K years or more? I would doubt it but can't rule it out because I haven't really looked into that.
Could there have been a completely different dominant species even millions ago that we are not descended from (Anunnaki for example or the lizard people)? I don't think I can 100% rule it out. But there is evidence from the dinosaurs and dating back over 100 million years. There is evidence of an iridium layer from 65 million years ago that shows the impact of the dinosaur killing comet. There are many other things that would survive millions of years from our age...fossils, pollution, radiation, the English channel, subway tunnels, mines and much more.
It seems to me that if reptiles leave evidence behind for over 100 million years then a civilization that manipulated their environment would leave some sort of evidence we could find today. Does that mean it's absolutely impossible? No. But you need a lot more than the absence of evidence to prove something was there. I really want to believe but don't subscribe to the god of the gaps argument.
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