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re: Players that we could potentially trade Ingram for straight-up
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
There are a lot of people on here that clearly don’t actually watch Trae Young play basketball. It’s not that he’s a bad defender, it’s that he might be the worst defender in the entire league. Opponents had a 121.6 ORtg whenever he was on the court this year. That’s horrendous. That’s 2pts worse than Cam Thomas and equivalent to Jordan Poole who played with much worse defenders around him.
The Hawks have spent years trying to surround Young with defensive guys, yet have only had a defense outside of the bottom 3rd of the league once. Here is their team DRtg in the years since Young has been drafted:
28
28
18
26
22
27
You have to do so much to help him that it severely limits what schemes you can run and who you can play on that end.
I’m not going to act like he’s not a talented offensive player because he is, but he is still being overvalued on that end. As already been pointed out, he’s a ball stopper that wants to be THE guy. That’s the issue, you can’t run a system with him because when he plays he IS the offensive system. He racks up assists because he doesn’t pass the ball unless it’s a pass that can get him an assist.
Now he is very talented, and playing this way can still lead to a pretty good offense most years, but I just don’t see how his limitations (on both ends) fits at all with a guy like Zion. It feels like we would be right back to having a team that’s less than the sum of its parts. Just this time with less assets and worse contracts
The Hawks have spent years trying to surround Young with defensive guys, yet have only had a defense outside of the bottom 3rd of the league once. Here is their team DRtg in the years since Young has been drafted:
28
28
18
26
22
27
You have to do so much to help him that it severely limits what schemes you can run and who you can play on that end.
I’m not going to act like he’s not a talented offensive player because he is, but he is still being overvalued on that end. As already been pointed out, he’s a ball stopper that wants to be THE guy. That’s the issue, you can’t run a system with him because when he plays he IS the offensive system. He racks up assists because he doesn’t pass the ball unless it’s a pass that can get him an assist.
Now he is very talented, and playing this way can still lead to a pretty good offense most years, but I just don’t see how his limitations (on both ends) fits at all with a guy like Zion. It feels like we would be right back to having a team that’s less than the sum of its parts. Just this time with less assets and worse contracts
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:41 pm to Baron
quote:
There are a lot of people on here that clearly don’t actually watch Trae Young play basketball. It’s not that he’s a bad defender, it’s that he might be the worst defender in the entire league. Opponents had a 121.6 ORtg whenever he was on the court this year. That’s horrendous. That’s 2pts worse than Cam Thomas and equivalent to Jordan Poole who played with much worse defenders around him.
The Hawks have spent years trying to surround Young with defensive guys, yet have only had a defense outside of the bottom 3rd of the league once. Here is their team DRtg in the years since Young has been drafted:
28
28
18
26
22
27
You have to do so much to help him that it severely limits what schemes you can run and who you can play on that end.
I’m not going to act like he’s not a talented offensive player because he is, but he is still being overvalued on that end. As already been pointed out, he’s a ball stopper that wants to be THE guy. That’s the issue, you can’t run a system with him because when he plays he IS the offensive system. He racks up assists because he doesn’t pass the ball unless it’s a pass that can get him an assist.
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