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re: Are steroids just now a free game and not interfered with any longer?

Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:00 pm to
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This logic advocates for the free use of every substance, so long as you deem that your interpretation sees that it shouldn't meet the criteria for a controlled substance. Why even have doctors prescribing medicine at that point? It seems like you're arguing that any drug that isn't a controlled substance, you should have free reign to get if you so desire it.



ummm yea. why have doctors? so they can tell me what is wrong and if certain medicines can cause comlications


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I don't see how you're coming to this conclusion. Everything you do in life affects others, especially taking a family of drugs that have long been established to cause considerable mood swings.


have they? you sure? because roid rage is a myth except with tren and maybe 1 or 2 others

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The matter is you come on this board and give advice as if you're the arbiter of what drugs/routines are good and which are bad because you've decided to research. It's commendable, but some of the stuff you tell people on here with this matter of fact attitude can be frightening. It's one thing to chime in with your take on weight loss, it's another to tell people to disregard what their doctor says, something I've seen you do multiple times.



most general doctors are not very smart when it comes to treating most things and you should seek a specialist. and 99% of doctors are dumb AF when it comes to overall preventative health, lifting and diet. most are nothing more than pill pushers at this point. not all but most

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We have federal agencies and medical advisory boards for a reason. Are they perfect? No. Are they corrupt? Yeah. Are they better than one libertarian giving advice to people on a message board? Yeah, I'd say so. And honestly, even if you're a doctor, telling people to outright listen to you and tell their doctors xyz is insanity.


ummm the same boards say they should not be illegal.


and telling someone to not take no as an answer to having blood work done is crazy? i didnt tell him not to listen to the doctor, i told him to tell the doctor he is getting his hormones tested, like it or not

and guess what...im right on that. if you feel you need a certain test done, dont take no as an answer. many doctors are stubborn AF and dont listen and stuck in thier ways. sorry if that offends you like doctors are gods or something



and someone taking steroids does not effect the lifes of others and thinking it does shows complete ignorance on the subject. and yea they should be uncontrolled. didnt say i should be able to just go get whatever script i want but i shouldnt get a felony if i have them either.


Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7359 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:40 pm to
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ummm yea. why have doctors? so they can tell me what is wrong and if certain medicines can cause comlications


You, no. The general public who aren't as well versed as you? Yes. That's why we have people who dedicate their life to study medicine.

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have they? you sure? because roid rage is a myth except with tren and maybe 1 or 2 others


So it's a myth except when it isn't.

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most general doctors are not very smart when it comes to treating most things and you should seek a specialist. and 99% of doctors are dumb AF when it comes to overall preventative health, lifting and diet. most are nothing more than pill pushers at this point. not all but most


This is where I could not disagree more. Doctors have to get an undergraduate degree, go to medical school, undergo several thousands of hours of training, and then do a residency before they are making real cash. You may disagree with their application of medicine, but to call most of them "not very smart" is not something any reasonable person would say and it reduces credibility.

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and telling someone to not take no as an answer to having blood work done is crazy? i didnt tell him not to listen to the doctor, i told him to tell the doctor he is getting his hormones tested, like it or not

and guess what...im right on that. if you feel you need a certain test done, dont take no as an answer. many doctors are stubborn AF and dont listen and stuck in thier ways. sorry if that offends you like doctors are gods or something


To the first part of this, I've seen other posts where you specifically told someone to forget what their doctor said and stay on a specific dose of mounjaro.

And you don't have to take no for an answer. There are plenty of independent labs where you can buy a panel, get the bloodwork done independently, and analyze it yourself. Asking the doctor to do something they don't think is worth it while also then wanting to make them be the ones to prescribe the care is antithetical to your logic.

I actually don't feel like doctors are gods. I get very frustrated with doctors when I go to them and they tell me less than I've already read up on. But we have them for a reason, and that reason is that a lot of people do not understand health, well-being, chemistry, biology, etc. They could read medical studies, but not everyone has 1. the interest or 2. the aptitude. I could very well learn about the theory of electricity. I could probably do it better than a lot of electricians. But when it comes to actually working with electricity, I would very likely kill myself while knowing exactly what to do because I don't have mechanical or electrical inclination. I know my strengths and, more importantly, I know my weaknesses. Some people don't have the strengths in health/medicine/science, and for those people, they should just listen to their doctor. And again, a libertarian telling them that all doctors are idiots, does nothing. And unless you want to go back to medical school and provide their care, they should listen to their medical professional.

A doctor is free to tell you to frick off. You can tell a doctor to frick off. But this blanket of "doctor's don't know anything" and then spreading that message to people coming here looking for help/support is, IMO, reductionist.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 3:42 pm
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