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re: People with the title of “Dr.” who aren’t doctors
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:34 pm to killercoconut
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:34 pm to killercoconut
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But why is it treated any different than a PhD? The work to obtain it is the same
It's viewed different only by those that know the workload, demand level, and self discipline required is not the same. A PhD requires "original" research. A subject or topic that has not been researched, or otherwise MUST expand and advance current theory. The failure rate / dropout percentage is the highest of any degree.
The PhD (D.Phil in many other countries) is the highest, most respected degree in any field worldwide. Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't completely informed.
First professional degrees (through challenging) are almost always taught as a cohort of pre-designed courses many of which change very little from one year to the next. The student continues to function in a scheduled, structured environment.
Complete satisfactory work (as designed) on schedule and the student will complete the degree at a pre-determined future date.
The PhD requires extraordinary independence even when completingsome of the early coursework. Most of the courses require independent research, which is the easy part. The dissertation (USA), called a thesis in most other countries will be more involved and demanding than all of the coursework completed before COMBINED!
The development of the Pharm.D and DPT did more to diminish the value of the doctorate degree than any other degree experience, IMO.
Now a PhD in physical therapy would be remarkably impressive.
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:39 pm to VolunGator
My brother has a Phd, and is actually a Dean of a college at a major university.
I don't call him Dr though. I do ask him who is on double secret probation however...
I don't call him Dr though. I do ask him who is on double secret probation however...
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:02 pm to VolunGator
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It's viewed different only by those that know the workload, demand level, and self discipline required is not the same. A PhD requires "original" research. A subject or topic that has not been researched, or otherwise MUST expand and advance current theory. The failure rate / dropout percentage is the highest of any degree. The PhD (D.Phil in many other countries) is the highest, most respected degree in any field worldwide. Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't completely informed. First professional degrees (through challenging) are almost always taught as a cohort of pre-designed courses many of which change very little from one year to the next. The student continues to function in a scheduled, structured environment. Complete satisfactory work (as designed) on schedule and the student will complete the degree at a pre-determined future date. The PhD requires extraordinary independence even when completingsome of the early coursework. Most of the courses require independent research, which is the easy part. The dissertation (USA), called a thesis in most other countries will be more involved and demanding than all of the coursework completed before COMBINED! The development of the Pharm.D and DPT did more to diminish the value of the doctorate degree than any other degree experience, IMO. Now a PhD in physical therapy would be remarkably impressive.
This is exactly the perspective I’m talking about and take exception to this. It’s condescending and largely inaccurate. I’m not sure where you get this “original” research comment from as if I copied someone else’s work or used a template of some kind. I published research on a novel topic in my field that had not previously been studied and impacts the ideology and approach a therapist would use in a clinical setting should they read it. The whole notion that the PhD is somehow earned because of an outlandishly more rigorous process and DPT’s are essentially handed a guide on how to complete their assignments and degree is ridiculous. But then again I’m sure you are just an unbiased observer correct?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:19 am to VolunGator
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The PhD (D.Phil in many other countries) is the highest, most respected degree in any field worldwide. Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't completely informed.
PhD is subjective, with no standardized test to pass. Again, a PhD can be obtained on line.
To graduate medical school, you are required to pass the United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) step 1 and 2. At that point, you are a MD. To practice medicine in the US, you must then pass step 3.
If you fail any of the steps 4 times you are out, no graduating from med school, no practicing medicine. You are not eligible to retake again.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 12:59 pm to VolunGator
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The PhD (D.Phil in many other countries) is the highest, most respected degree in any field worldwide.
I would argue that PhDs have a pretty wide range in terms of intellectual firepower and difficulty to obtain. There are certainly some PhD earning fields that trump the cognitive requirements of earning an MD or JD but there are also a lot of PhD earning fields that are borderline pseudo-intellectual.
MDs, DDS, and JDs are more consistent in terms of difficulty and aptitude.
The rest are laughable. Anyone with a pulse can “earn” an M.Ed.
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