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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story

Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:24 pm to
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One for the LORD and one for Azazel.

Agree - that’s what Leviticus says and that’s also what the two Jesuses are supposed to represent.

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We see Jesus Christ, crucified outside the confines of Jerusalem both the sacrifice offered to God and the scapegoat for Azazel.

I think your interpretation is different from that of the church fathers and mine. Jesus Christ was the “sin offering” - the sacrifice, except unlike in Leviticus the sacrifice was not made to Yahweh, because Jesus was Yahweh. Jesus sacrificed himself so that no more blood sacrifices were to be needed to renew creation, to renew the strength of the capstone beneath the temple to hold back the waters of the Tehom. The goat sacrifice was a yearly sacrifice done in the temple. As the temple was no longer a temple after Rome destroyed it, Jesus’ self-sacrifice took the place of the temple.

Jesus Barabbas, the criminal, was the figurative goat sent to Azazel to carry the Jews sins away from the holy land to the land that was sinful… the land ruled by the Archons of Aeon (the Rulers). By Enochic tradition, it was Azazel (and Shamyaza) that introduced sin into the world. Those fallen angels introduced sinful ideas (Azazel taught how to make iron weapons, how to wage war, how to make and apply makeup) and also created an evil race of demigods (the Nephilim, started by Shamyaza raping the “daughters of men). Jesus Barabbas wasn’t being sacrificed but rather he was carrying away the sins of the Jews to where sin belonged - the realm of the evil angels and Rulers.

The book of 1 Enoch might have been finalized more or less between 300-200BCE, but judging by Genesis 6 not really explaining the Nephilim and by Leviticus not really explaining Azazel, I believe the authors of those books were already exposed to the traditions found in 1 Enoch. The writers had no need to elaborate on them because they figured the readers would already have literature on Azazel and Shamyaza.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:09 pm to
Sorry for such a delayed response.
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Jesus Christ was the “sin offering” - the sacrifice, except unlike in Leviticus the sacrifice was not made to Yahweh, because Jesus was Yahweh. Jesus sacrificed himself so that no more blood sacrifices were to be needed to renew creation,
Jesus-once for all-blood sacrifice subsumed within itself and fulfilled all Old Covenant sacrifices. The veil was rent in the Temple. Temple sacrifices ended because they were no longer necessary not because Rome tore the Temple down. Saying that Jesus’s sacrifice was not made to God because he is God is a little tricky in the Trinitarian context.
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From the Quicunque Vult:

“He therefore that will be saved: must thus think of the Trinity. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation: that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For the right Faith is that we believe and confess: that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the Substance of his Mother, born in the world; Perfect God, and Perfect Man: of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting;

Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead: and inferior to the Father, as touching his Manhood.
Who although he be God and Man: yet he is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by taking of the Manhood into God; One altogether, not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man: so God and Man is one Christ.

Who suffered for our salvation: descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty: from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies: and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting: and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the Catholick Faith: which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved.

The Incarnation makes uniquely possible Jesus, in his capacity as High Priest and The Lamb of God, presenting himself and his blood to God in the heavenly Holy of Holies of which the earthly Tabernacle and Temple were mere types and shadows
As the writer of Hebrews tells us:
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But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:22 pm
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