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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:44 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:44 am to Squirrelmeister
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Wrong.
No, it is not wrong.
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Markion of Sinope published the first Christian New Testament including 10 letters attributed to Paul - what he called the “Apostolikon”, and the gospel of the Lord - what he called the “Evangelikon”. He published his NT including his prologue called the “Antithesis” where he makes the claim that he didn’t make it all up, but that it was Paul’s gospel. He also specifically calls out scripture that stood in opposition to his own, namely the Jewish Old Testament. He released his NT in 144CE.
And Marcion was the creator of the 2nd century heresy known as Marcionism. Early church fathers such as St. Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, and Tertullian called him a heretic for rejecting the God of the Old Testament, taking a polytheistic approach to Christianity, and proclaiming that St. Paul was the only true apostle of Christ. He was excommunicated for his beliefs by the Church in Rome in the year 144.
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In summary, many scholars assign Markion as the very first written gospel
Even the most secular of New Testament scholars have abandoned this position as older manuscripts of the gospels have been found throughout Europe, Africa, and Asia Minor. P90 for instance, a piece of papyrus from the Gospel of John, is dated to as early as the year 110.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
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Using their most liberal dating of the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were composed between the years 70 and 100.quote:
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No, it is not wrong.
You are deluded or in denial. It is a fact that some legitimate biblical scholars assert a Markion gospel priority. I won’t argue if they are right or wrong, but nevertheless the “most liberal dating” of the gospels is in the late second century.
Example 1
Example 2
You’ve got to face the fact that some scholars believe Marcion came first and the others as redacted edited copies came later.
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And Marcion was the creator of the 2nd century heresy known as Marcionism.
Did you ever think that your New Testament is based on the work of Marcion the heretic? Scholarly consensus is that Marcion was the very first church father to create a Christian canon, and he compiled the letters of Paul that are in your Bible. So when you read Romans and Ephesians and Corinthians and Thessalonians be sure to thank Marcion.
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Justin Martyr
Wrote that Jesus was a created angel and was subordinate to God the father.
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St. Irenaeus of Lyons
A heretic
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Tertullian
Another heretic - major supporter of Montanism
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taking a polytheistic approach to Christianity
Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Tertullian were polytheists. They were not trinitarian. They believed Jesus was a divine being and godlike but not God. Look it up.
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P90 for instance, a piece of papyrus from the Gospel of John, is dated to as early as the year 110.
P90 dated paleographically to late second century
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Even the most secular of New Testament scholars have abandoned this position as older manuscripts of the gospels have been found
This is a lie. There hasn’t been one confirmed copy of any gospel dating to before Marcion released his gospel around 140CE.
ETA: to be clear about my last comment: there were (heretical by modern Christian standards) church fathers who alleged and asserted that the other gospels predated Marcion’s version. Also weak evidence, that isn’t proof. It is a fact that the first ever writing by a church father to mention the other gospels was from around 180CE, around 40 years after Marcion published the first Christian New Testament. It is a fact that there has been no fragment of a gospel found that predates Marcion’s gospel. Maybe one day one will be found, but so far we have not found any.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 10:24 am
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