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re: Over 25% of Methodist churches abandon denomination as schism grows over LGBTQ+ issues
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:09 pm to Kafka
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:09 pm to Kafka
Obviously I disagree with the "Progressives" on this issue.
There has got to be a "Third Way" that's better than what the Progressives want - something along the lines of "Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner."
I would preach to homosexuals that they have an especially heavy burden in life to refrain from what they desire, which is Gay Sex. They can consider themselves to be in a state of a sort of Martyrdom in that they are allowing a part of their nature to die as a sacrifice to Almighty God. God certainly will reward them in the afterlife. MAYBE this line of spiritual thinking can be convincing to them.
I would not shun them out of a congregation, and, I'll bet that most would agree with this.
There has got to be a "Third Way" that's better than what the Progressives want - something along the lines of "Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner."
I would preach to homosexuals that they have an especially heavy burden in life to refrain from what they desire, which is Gay Sex. They can consider themselves to be in a state of a sort of Martyrdom in that they are allowing a part of their nature to die as a sacrifice to Almighty God. God certainly will reward them in the afterlife. MAYBE this line of spiritual thinking can be convincing to them.
I would not shun them out of a congregation, and, I'll bet that most would agree with this.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 10:11 pm
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 4:36 am to Champagne
This whole debate among Protestants about whether practicing homosexuals are committing Sin brings the spotlight on the Bible Alone aspect of Protestant theology.
As we know from the Westminster Confession, the Bible is perfectly clear with regard to how one gains Salvation. Our resident Reformed pastors have repeated this extensively.
But this debate about homosexuals seems to undercut this statement in the Westminster Confession. How can one Protestant say that a practicing homosexual is actively and unrepentantly engaging in Sinful behavior and is going to Hell, while another says that the behavior is not Sin at all, and is no impediment to being Saved?
Of course, the usual response to this puzzle is to simply declare, "Well, the side that says it is not Sin is clearly wrong", but, isn't that just circular logic? Sort of like saying, "the Bible is perfectly clear on how to gain Salvation, but, THAT guy's opinion on what it means is perfectly wrong on what's perfectly clear. Are we really going to have 500 years of Protestant theology rest on a foundation of Circular Logic? No, of course not.
So this conundrum remains unsolved. Either the Westminster Confession is false or there's a piece of the puzzle that's not been discussed.
Just thinking out loud here.
As we know from the Westminster Confession, the Bible is perfectly clear with regard to how one gains Salvation. Our resident Reformed pastors have repeated this extensively.
But this debate about homosexuals seems to undercut this statement in the Westminster Confession. How can one Protestant say that a practicing homosexual is actively and unrepentantly engaging in Sinful behavior and is going to Hell, while another says that the behavior is not Sin at all, and is no impediment to being Saved?
Of course, the usual response to this puzzle is to simply declare, "Well, the side that says it is not Sin is clearly wrong", but, isn't that just circular logic? Sort of like saying, "the Bible is perfectly clear on how to gain Salvation, but, THAT guy's opinion on what it means is perfectly wrong on what's perfectly clear. Are we really going to have 500 years of Protestant theology rest on a foundation of Circular Logic? No, of course not.
So this conundrum remains unsolved. Either the Westminster Confession is false or there's a piece of the puzzle that's not been discussed.
Just thinking out loud here.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 4:37 am
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:34 am to Champagne
quote:All are welcome at our Church. I worked in healthcare for 40 years and it certainly attracted its share of gay folk. Some of my best friends were gay. I didn't agree with their lifestyle but not for me to judge. Where the Church (United Methodist Church) and we that left disagreed with was practicing gays in leadership roles, teaching and leading our children, performing gay marriages in our church facilities, etc. I'll sit right next to a gay fellow congregant and not bat an eye. Again, don't agree with their lifestyle but judging that person is not in my paygrade.
I would not shun them out of a congregation, and, I'll bet that most would agree with this.
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