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re: Israel / Hamas in a biblical context - any content recs?
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:36 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:36 pm to Mike da Tigah
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There is only 1 mediator between God and man, and that’s Jesus Christ
Amen, and there are any number of mediators between us and Christ, as Paul said in the preceding 4 verses to the passage you posted earlier.
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Praying to a dead follower of Christ or through Mary instead of Christ and Christ alone will net you nothing
There's nothing in scripture stating this. In fact, Revelation says the opposite of this. Those in Heaven offering intercession for us on earth.
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There is an enormous difference in living human beings praying for each other’s needs, and praying to a dead person to intercede to God on your behalf.
I agree with this, because since God is God of the living, and therefore those in Heaven are alive and with the beatific vision, their prayers are more beneficial to us.
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It is taught that you have to pay for your exit out of purgatory through prayers of people living, and indulgencs given to the RCC. It’s also not scriptural in the slightest.
Indulgences are for the remission of temporal punishments, meaning those in this life not the next.
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As much as you want the word of God to be contracting, it’s not.
God's word is clear, I said it is you who are giving contradicting statements. I agree that belief plays a part. I'm not a monergist.
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Christ had not died yet for him to believe upon His resurrection
There's the twist. If we're being consistent, this means either Paul lied in his letter to the Romans about this being a requisite for salvation, or the good thief simply didn't meet this criteria, but wasn't held to this standard, because it wasn't the standard by which he was to be held. Also, the RCC teaches that God is sovereign and can do whatever he wants, including saving someone despite themselves and whether or not they have true saving faith, baptized, etc.
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They were saved in the faith of the Messiah to come and their faith and obedience to God to that effect, but not by their works absent Christ’s salvation
Ehhhh, you're reaching here. Look at Abraham. He was justified by faith in some instances, and then faith and works in others.
I'm not going to quote every line in this paragraph since there are so many, but suffice it to say that I agree that works are an outward sign of obedience, but the opposite is also true.
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The blood of lambs on the door did not cause death to pass the Jews by at the Passover. The believing God did, and acting upon His word did that.
What if someone believed God, and then chose to be disobedient by not putting the blood on the door?
This person would have faith, but not the good works that result from it, making it a dead faith like James says.
However we weren't discussing works, as the Catholic church doesn't teach works based salvation contrary to popular belief. I was simply stating that the good thief didn't have a true saving faith. He may have been baptized (we don't know for sure), but definitely died under the davidic covenant. So neither of those really matter.
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