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re: Rep. Garret Graves escalates effort to repeal Social Security penalty for teachers, police
Posted on 9/17/23 at 1:48 pm to CajunTiger92
Posted on 9/17/23 at 1:48 pm to CajunTiger92
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If a person has a public pension (meaning they didn’t pay into SS) then they have an income that isnt otherwise accounted for when calculating SS benefits. The idea was to stop people with public pensions from double dipping in both systems by working just enough in private sector to qualify for SS.
That said, the system does need to be reformed. The threshold and reduction need to be adjusted. As it stands now. if you spent, say, a third or half your career in the private sector and half in public sector, you are getting screwed out of your SS.
That's WEP and I kinda see the point.
That argument doesn't hold with GPO. You could have a widow who paid nothing into either SS or a public pension. She would get full benefits. But a teacher who worked her whole life will get her benefits decreased? How is that rational?
I guess what I don't know is- if that widow HAD paid into SS, would her benefits also be decreased so as to prevent "double dipping" into both her SS account and her husbands? I very much doubt it, but I don't know either way.
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 2:59 pm to BigJim
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You could have a widow who paid nothing into either SS or a public pension. She would get full benefits. But a teacher who worked her whole life will get her benefits decreased? How is that rational?
This thread exposes an underlying cause of why the quality of life is so bad in this state. We push each other down and do mental gymnastics to justify it.
Makes no sense for somebody to get penalized just because they worked for the government. Like if you're a pipe fitter and paid SS but then stopped you wouldn't get penalized in such a way. Furthermore, there's people that start off as civil servants and then move to private sector. They are now penalized. It defies logic, but its what Republicans want and it's one of many reasons why they can't win a culture war.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 7:29 pm to BigJim
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But a teacher who worked her whole life will get her benefits decreased? How is that rational?
I didn’t state that it was rational. They need to reform it. I don’t think they should just totally eliminate the WEP and GOP even though my family stands to benefit if they did.
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I guess what I don't know is- if that widow HAD paid into SS, would her benefits also be decreased so as to prevent "double dipping" into both her SS account and her husbands?
As I understand it, the widow would get the higher of the two SS benefits, not both.
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