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re: Pope (emeritus) Benedict has died

Posted on 12/31/22 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 4:05 pm to
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He barely referred to "it" at all. He said "whenever you drink of this cup or eat of this bread, remember me." Besides the OBVIOUS symbolism, what part of this makes it a ritual, as opposed to something to do every time you drank wine and ate bread, or any food or drink, for that matter?




He has an entire discourse on it in John 6:

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52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day, 55 for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which the ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” 59 He said these things while he was teaching in a synagogue at Capernaum.


Add to this what St. Ignatius of Antioch says about the Eucharist in his writings from AD 107 and what St. Justin Martyr has to say about it in his writings from AD 150, and you get the sense that it was considered to be more than just a symbol by the early Christians.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 4:11 pm to
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52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day, 55 for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which the ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” 59 He said these things while he was teaching in a synagogue at Capernaum.
He wasn't talking about the Eucharist, he was speaking M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R-I-C-A-L-L-Y.

Amazing how you cut out the stuff that proves me right:
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When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?” 26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” 28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” 30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]” 32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” 41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” 43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”


He said to believe. He didn't say "believe... oh yeah, and eat some bread and ignore the bread taste, that's really my flesh, and that's what saves you, so... yeah, believe and eat... I'll get into drinking later on, so don't die beforehand or you'll go to Hell."
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 4:18 pm to
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He has an entire discourse on it in John 6:
Perhaps you should read the passages leading up to that one in John 6, especially the miracle of the fish and loaves.

Also, perhaps you should examine John as a whole more closely where Jesus spoke of Himself using symbolic language time and time again, such as being a vine, a door, and a shepherd.
Posted by Cajunbobsled
Mckinney
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:05 pm to
From Sam Harris:
If you wake up and pray over your pancakes so that they turn into the body of Elvis Presley your insane but if you wake up and pray over a cracker that it’s the body of Jesus your just a catholic..

Bible is a man written book just like religions are man made philosophies. I love religion though because it makes for good conversations amongst all
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