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Congrats on the straw man argument?

You do realize this is not some new concept, and that if you want to play comparative analysis, UHC systems in advanced economies almost all have healthier populations, lower obesity rates, and better mortality rates and that has, in part, to do with having cradle to grave access to much of the health system without crippling financial burdens. And many do take steps to incentivize healthier habits because it has a direct effect on expenses and taxes. So the system literally becomes aligned with promoting health as a political battle because the party that achieves it can claim reducing public healthcare spending or taxes for it's constituents.

Many, such as France, Denmark, Finland, England, and authoritarian conservatives wet dream country, Hungry, use a combination of taxes, subsidies, and/or pricing mechanisms to promote better health and drive the right incentives. Nothing is stopping America from doing the same on a national level except political willpower.

It's such a straw man argument that you ignore the political messaging portion of my post to skip over to the successfully installed collective healthcare systems that largely lack (at least prior to the last decade), the leech problem we battle?

I offered you a reasonable trade off, are you agreeable to it?

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Posted by Bronc

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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:39 am to Pettifogger

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It's such a straw man argument that you ignore the political messaging portion of my post to skip over to the successfully installed collective healthcare systems that largely lack (at least prior to the last decade), the leech problem we battle?

I offered you a reasonable trade off, are you agreeable to it?

I dont know if you realize this, but I do not control the messaging of any political party.

Your "trade off" though is a straw man and a false choice, I have no problem with attempting to incentivize better perosnal health, and getting everyone comprehensive cradle to grave coverage is a big part in helping achieve better personal health because it gives people regular access to the doctors, diagnostics, and resources to be informed and maintain better health through their aging. It's why life expectancy jumps up when people get into Medicare age. Suddenly that population all have more affordable access to the resources and monitoring that many lacked in certain capacities. It builds in much deeper incentives in our politics because there is a direct connection between public expenses and public health.

But by all means, let's bring back the soda tax Republicans hate and fatties in NY rebelled against. Charge smokers more for insurance(which we already do), remove subsidies that make ultra fatty processed meats and foods the cheapest way to get calories. Stop whining and be proactive about attempts to fix school lunch programs to be more healthy.

A lot of that though is going to require policy outside UHC reform though....If all this about though is feeling like a special snowflake and having messaging catered to you to feel good, I lack those powers.

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