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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:02 am to
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:02 am to
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I think our gamble on fewer more mobile units with precision fires was wrong GPS guided munitions are great, but you still need mass.


Yes and no to this statement.

Yes, I agree we need to up are production capacity on shells. We do not need to be in a major conflict where we are having to conserve shells

No, mass battlefield coverage is not needed. There was a video I watched the other day of two salvos from Russian MLRS attacking the battlefield as viewed from a Ukrainian spotter drone.

The dispersion/accuracy was all over the place. If you had a mass charge across a field, then maybe this works. But one guided shell would have done more.

My issue with shells is the effect of cluster munitions on both side shows their effect. Congress has never ratified the anti cluster munition treaty, it was an Obama EO. Next president needs to end that EO.

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cluster munitions, can equal the lethal effectiveness of 15 high-explosive (HE) howitzer shells

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19555 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:39 am to
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The dispersion/accuracy was all over the place. If you had a mass charge across a field, then maybe this works. But one guided shell would have done more.


The Russians are jamming the PGMs we’ve sent Kiev. So if it was us in that situation, that GPS guided shell would be reduced to inertial guidance.

You do that across the front, which the Russian have, they’ve invested heavily in electronic warfare, then our reliance on PGMs is a liability.
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