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Should T. Simon start at CB over T. Matheiu against Oregon?

Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:12 pm
Posted by 7thWardTiger
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:12 pm
I think it would benefit both and the team greatly. Obviously, it will get T-Raw back to the nickel position he wrecked havoc in last season, but it also takes away a slight advantage that Oregon would have had. That advantage was 6'5 216# Tunei. Tunei isn't a deep threat, but more or less a possesion guy who you know Thomas will look for on obvious passing downs because of his height. 6'5 on 5'9 T-Raw or 5'11 Mo. C could give us problems on quick hitches, out routes, and goal line fade situations, where Tunei could use that lanky frame and long arms to catch the ball. 6'4 Simon with his long arms and good ball skills and ability to 'rake' across the receiver's arms to get the ball out would negate that advantage. Add on to the fact that the receiving corps for Oregon is somewhat of a question mark for the first game(losing Maehl) and Huff went down with a knee injury in spring drills(although he is expected to be 10"% this fall, but with a knee you never know). In the spring game, they went to alot of 2 tight sets because of their weak receiving core, and strong TE Paulson, who had over 400 yards on 24 receptions.

With Maehl gone, and their height receiver Tunei being matched basically inch to inch with Simon, is going to make it rough on Thomas, as Huff on Claiborne is a better match up in our favor, we can really make Oregon a 1 dimensional offense.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:15 pm to
id like to see us do that. traw is great in the nickel spot we can do alot with him and simon can cover the big wrs.
Posted by TIGER62
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:24 pm to
coach miles will make the right call
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:25 pm to
First, "T-RAW" ( ) is the starting CB in a base set.

Second, "T-RAW" ( ) wasn't the #1 cover CB his senior year just for the hell of it.

Third, Grimes (The "T-RAW" ( )) of the NFL does just fine against NFL WRs that are taller than him.

Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:32 pm to
the better corner should start...if that is Matheiu than he could always move inside in nickel and dime with Simon coming in.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:32 pm to
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coach miles will make the right call


No doubt. But its the off season and a good topic of discussion
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:36 pm to
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the better corner should start...if that is Matheiu than he could always move inside in nickel and dime with Simon coming in.


True. But best corner isn't set in stone. You have to look at best match ups also. 6'5 on 5'9-5'10 isn't the best match up, and definately not in jump ball situations(UGA 2009, Green catch in endzone is a perfect example). Having 6'4 on 6'5 is a much better match up, especially when both are pretty kuch equal when it comes to defending passes.
Posted by 1984Tiger
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:41 pm to
My personal opinion is that Simon and Claiborne should be the starters, with Tyrann playing nickel. I like the idea of havine Simon out there to match up with the big, physical receivers. However, I don't go to practices, so I can't say who should start ... I'll leave that decision to Ron Cooper.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:46 pm to
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First, "T-RAW" ( ) is the starting CB in a base set.

Obviously, which is why i asked should Simon start against Oregon. To give LSU a better match up on Tunei
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Second, "T-RAW" ( ) wasn't the #1 cover CB his senior year just for the hell of it

Not really comparable because Simon played FS in HS. He was a 4 star and #13 Safety in the nation. Coach Cooper definately deserves a raise, as he is one of the best DB coaches in the nation at both recognizing and developing talent(remember, Mo. C was a 2 star)
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Third, Grimes (The "T-RAW" ( )) of the NFL does just fine against NFL WRs that are taller than him.

He also doesn't have another 6'4 CB behind him on the depth chart.

As far as T-RAW, why don't you tell him you don't like his nickname. If he comes out and says he wants to be called Butter Pecan swirl, then by golly, as long as he keeps playin at the level he has, then i'm going to call him Butter Pecan swirl :nohomo:
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:51 pm to
Personally, I think Simon will be better at the starting role. TM is a great player but his physical attributes are going to limit him against the better WRs. His size will be a huge glaring issue on bigger WRs. They had several occasions where it showed last season, so I have my doubts. TM will probably never be a 1st round guy simply because of his size limits. Also, I doubt anyone can blitz off the corners like he can. That alone makes him valuable in the nickel.

I'm worried seeing TM on the field all the time because he might get injured a lot. In the spring game he got hurt and when he is constantly going up against the #1/#2 guys, they'll probably be bigger WRs than he was covering last year in the nickel.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 5:52 pm
Posted by RGJ18
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:18 pm to
Simon was great in the spring game. He blanketed RR most of the time. If he doesnt start he should get plenty of pt
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:25 pm to
I think Simon should start but I'd love to see T-Raw owning a 6'5 WR
Posted by Hired Gun
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:35 pm to
7th, i like the way you think. I like the height matchup with Tunei. what is your opinion of t-rold versus t-raw, other than height. Is Simon still a little green to make that start or can he just step right in and continue the domination? I think he is just as athletic as any of them (or more), but still a little short on experience for us to assume that he is ready to guard that guy.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:47 pm to
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What is your opinion of T-Rold vs T-Raw


Both are going to be great corners. T-Raw is a playmaker. Point blank. 5 FF, 3 FR, 2 Ints and some PBU's last season as a true freshman.

But Simon is an incredible talent also. He's not green. He played in 7 games, had an INT, and 3 PBU's, had 2 outstanding PBU's in the spring game, both of which negated a 40+ yd TD if i remember correctly and he gave Reuben absoloute hell in the spring. Remember also, at one point, Simon was covering Julio Jones in the Bama game, and JJ got nothing, and he covered Fuller like a blanket in the Cotton Bowl. IMHO, at Corner, there is no drop off between T-Raw and Simon. In fact, and i might get crucified for saying this, but because of T-Raw's inexperience at true corner, i would give Simon an actual edge.

Dude just has 'it' when it comes to defending plays


Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:49 pm to
How long you been breaking down this game, boss?
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:52 pm to
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How long you been breaking down this game, boss?


Watching game film and highlight videos is a hobby of mine. I like going over schemes, depth charts, individual match ups, stats, etc.
Posted by Hired Gun
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:53 pm to
i'll take your word for it. who plays dime? brooks or reid or loston or does it matter. i can't wait
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 6:56 pm to
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i'll take your word for it. who plays dime? brooks or reid or loston or does it matter. i can't wait


Reid and Loston are both fighting for the starting FS spot.

Brooks will be the dime guy with Micah Eugene if he is as good as advertised.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:09 pm to
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Brooks will be the dime guy with Micah Eugene if he is as good as advertised.


Hard to imagine he cracks that spot unless he really comes in and lights the world on fire. Certainly, based on recent recruiting in the secondary that he could do just that, but I'm still going to go with Brooks. Or I think we could just see Reid and Loston along with Taylor and go big in the dime, but I don't know.

Either way both will see the field all the time because we're a nickel team with our linebackers being the weak point right now.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:14 pm to
Alot of people believe that Micah is a Tyrann clone.

I would totally Jizz myself if i look out there against Oregon and see Mingo, D. Johnson, "Freak", Montgomery, Baker, Claiborne, Simon, Matheiu, Loston, Reid, and Taylor out there defending Oregon's 3 WR plus Barner in the "TZR" set.
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