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Why would NC State ever leave the ACC for the SEC?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:45 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:45 am
I keep seeing NC State's name tossed around as the potential 14th option. I will admit that I don't know much about NC State, their academics or their athletic programs.
Is this a case of a team being in the shadow of other North Carolina schools and wanting to create a new identity? sort of like Texas A&M.
On the flip side, the SEC would get into contiguous state that it isn't already in.
NC State is one of the original members of the ACC...I don't see why they would leave, unless there is something below the surface.
Is this a case of a team being in the shadow of other North Carolina schools and wanting to create a new identity? sort of like Texas A&M.
On the flip side, the SEC would get into contiguous state that it isn't already in.
NC State is one of the original members of the ACC...I don't see why they would leave, unless there is something below the surface.
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Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:47 am to Chicken
TV Exposure more than likely.
And if given the choice between the 'heels and N.C. State - the answer is obvious which team to persue.
And if given the choice between the 'heels and N.C. State - the answer is obvious which team to persue.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:48 am to Chicken
Well, they are a more likely option than GT, VT, FSU, or Clemson to leave for the SEC.
NC ST isnt tied to UNC/Duke, so they have that coming for them. It would make some sense from an SEC perspective since they would open up a new state/market.
I dont really think its going to happen, but who knows.
NC ST isnt tied to UNC/Duke, so they have that coming for them. It would make some sense from an SEC perspective since they would open up a new state/market.
I dont really think its going to happen, but who knows.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:49 am to Chicken
UNC casts a pretty big shadow over them. The advantage that an SEC tag would give NC State is undeniable. It would also help pull from Virginia. ACC seems to be becoming largely s basketball conference s la big east. Does the wolfpack fit into that model?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:51 am to jcole4lsu
quote:I could see VT leaving...mostly because they are a football school and not an original member of the ACC (ie, no loyalty).
Well, they are a more likely option than GT, VT, FSU, or Clemson to leave for the SEC.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:56 am to Chicken
quote:
I could see VT leaving..
All of the schools i listed WOULD leave if given an offer and nothing was standing in their way, but I listed them as no-goes because of outstanding factors.
The main factor for VT is I do not believe there is any way the politicians and UVA, who pulled a mini coup to get VT into the ACC a few years ago, would allow VT to now leave.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:56 am to Chicken
quote:
NC State is one of the original members of the ACC.
So where we.
With that said we are the only original ACC school to have left.
But as mentioned I figure they might to get exposure and out of the Powder Blue shadow.Posted on 9/22/11 at 9:58 am to Chicken
I was just thinking about this the other night, NC State would be good; It would occupy a state the SEC is not in, they seem like a pretty good program all around, not to far to travel, and shouldnt make any of the current members in the SEC mad.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:00 am to Chicken
after all the politics and effort involved in getting Va Tech into the ACC, i don't see them leaving
it'd be like if a buddy of yours used all of his pull to get you into a country club, then a couple years later you decide you want to join another country club
it'd be like if a buddy of yours used all of his pull to get you into a country club, then a couple years later you decide you want to join another country club
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:01 am to jcole4lsu
quote:This is the same thing said in Texas when A&M was threatening to leave...politician were helpless to stop them.
The main factor for VT is I do not believe there is any way the politicians and UVA, who pulled a mini coup to get VT into the ACC a few years ago, would allow VT to now leave.
That being said, VT doesn't have a lot of competition in the ACC in football, and may find it best to stay put.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 10:03 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:04 am to Chicken
not at all.
what politician or university got aTm into the Big XII?
what politician or university would look bad when aTm leaves?
what school was going to get into the Big XII but a group of politicians and a university pulled rank and got that school thrown out and aTm put in its place?
those are nowhere near the same situations.
what politician or university got aTm into the Big XII?
what politician or university would look bad when aTm leaves?
what school was going to get into the Big XII but a group of politicians and a university pulled rank and got that school thrown out and aTm put in its place?
those are nowhere near the same situations.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:04 am to Smokedawg
but to answer the original question, NCSU is a good fit for the SEC, they tailgate, most of their fanbase care more about football than basketball, their fans travel well
also NCSU has always been the little brother to UNC, joing the SEC would be very advantageous to them because they would immediately start recruiting better in the state of NC and would probably eventually become a better football program than UNC, which would be their dream come true
with that said, i don't see them leaving simply due to the history the "big 4" (unc, ncsu, wake forest, duke) have in the ACC
also NCSU has always been the little brother to UNC, joing the SEC would be very advantageous to them because they would immediately start recruiting better in the state of NC and would probably eventually become a better football program than UNC, which would be their dream come true
with that said, i don't see them leaving simply due to the history the "big 4" (unc, ncsu, wake forest, duke) have in the ACC
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:10 am to jcole4lsu
The landscape has changed. VT is a football school and the ACC is not a football conference, even less so with the addition of the new Big East teams...
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:11 am to LawC
if the SEC was going to raid the ACC, i'd say the most likely candidate to leave would be FSU
they have the kind of football program that could be a consistent top dog in the SEC, something that clemson and Va Tech don't have
they also dont have a ton of history with the ACC
they have a rival in the SEC and its been proven before that their rivalry with Miami can hold up even if they are in different conferences
they have the kind of football program that could be a consistent top dog in the SEC, something that clemson and Va Tech don't have
they also dont have a ton of history with the ACC
they have a rival in the SEC and its been proven before that their rivalry with Miami can hold up even if they are in different conferences
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:20 am to Chicken
NC State coming over could be a win-win for both the SEC and ACC. We know the SEC would love to get into the NC markets. It would balance out the conference with A&M at 14.
The ACC has 4 schools in NC it can afford one to leave aslong as it is'nt UNC. The ACC then could get UCONN to replace State, adding a new market, improve that basketball sport they like, and remain at 14.
Though im not sure what the ACC power brass(UNC) would think of the SEC in North Carolina. Plus that whole 20mil exist fee.
The ACC has 4 schools in NC it can afford one to leave aslong as it is'nt UNC. The ACC then could get UCONN to replace State, adding a new market, improve that basketball sport they like, and remain at 14.
Though im not sure what the ACC power brass(UNC) would think of the SEC in North Carolina. Plus that whole 20mil exist fee.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:21 am to LawC
I'm from Virginia, and I conquer with the previous posters, Tech was lucky to get into ACC only due politics, they aren't leaving now.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:21 am to Chicken
quote:
The landscape has changed.
what does this even mean?
the ACC may not be a "football" conference first, but they certainly are not in danger of losing their BCS slot. in fact, that actually works against your argument of VT leaving, since the ACC is a much easier league to win than the SEC is.
go undefeated in the ACC and you are going to be in the BCS title game, baring something crazy.
how many BCS bowls would VT have gone to if they had been in the SEC since the inception of the BCS? obviously we cant answer that exactly, but the answer would be considerably fewer than they have been to.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:22 am to jcole4lsu
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The main factor for VT is I do not believe there is any way the politicians and UVA, who pulled a mini coup to get VT into the ACC a few years ago, would allow VT to now leave
the politics of VT to the ACC have been over-exaggerated. i know the situation quite well because I had a friend working on Mark Warner's (then Gov) Senate Campaign when I lived in DC. VT had some support from UVA (President and billionaire Board Member) before politics were involved. UVa wasn't excited about adding Syracuse to get to 12. As the Governor, Mark Warner appoints the entire Board for UVa and VT. He merely notified UVA's Board that he wanted VT in the ACC. None of the State Delegates (legislature) were openly engaged. The initial fear wasn't that VT was getting left out of the ACC, but the Big East football schools were leaving which would have an adverse impact on VT football. I know that Mark Warner polled this issue and found that it got him a lot of support in SW Virginia with traditional Republican voters. VT does owe UVA something for really carrying the water to get them in the ACC, but the elected-official politics were minimal.
with that, I have heard the VT Admin and Board are very content w/ the ACC and feel that is has helped them form better academic relations on projects w/ UVa and UMd. their fans are split. so long as Clemson and FSU stay put, i think they remain in the ACC. adding Pitt and Syracuse and possibly UConn does not bother them as much as it does FSU. I've heard that FSU has threatened to leave if UConn or Rutgers are admitted. Clemson's President is completely obsessed w/ the academic association of the ACC, whereas the majority of their fans would die to be in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:31 am to winyahpercy
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I've heard that FSU has threaten to leave if UConn or Rutgers are admitted.
this makes some sense, since neither of those schools would add a considerable amount of viewers and it would water down each schools piece of the new tv contract, which is due to be re-worked next year or so.
ETA: it would be pretty stupid for the ACC to take those two teams and watch FSU walk, so I'll take that as a sign that the ACC is staying at 14
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whereas the majority of their fans would die to be in the SEC.
a lot of schools are like this. FSU, Clemson, VT etc. nobody on this board seems to realize that isnt really a factor though.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:34 am to jcole4lsu
quote:it means that good football recruits will want to play in the SEC or Big Ten before they play in a conference like the ACC.
what does this even mean?
The argument is that a program like VT will recruit better if they were in the SEC.
quote:wow...you just lost me
go undefeated in the ACC and you are going to be in the BCS title game
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