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re: Today, Ken Starr saved the Big 12. . .
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:36 pm to Enormous Codpiece
Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:36 pm to Enormous Codpiece
Man that is funny. I enjoy reading most of you AGGIES post. Hope you guys and gals get this worked out and come on into the SEC finally. 
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Posted on 9/7/11 at 9:50 pm to Wolf Shirt
quote:
I dont hink it was sarcasm. Did you read their board?
I was giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. I honestly don't know.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:26 pm to RunningBlake
And now you know what we have had to deal with for over a century. 
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:26 pm to Enormous Codpiece
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Please take no offense. Most of what you're reading is what happens when people shove their dick into a light socket, flip the switch, and start typing.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 10:48 pm to Dro
You see what we have to fricking deal with? God, the SEC and all member institutions are doing us a HUGE favor by riding us of these parasites.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 12:33 am to Ross
Kenn Starr Quote
We are grateful for the many words of support during the recent tumult associated with the Big 12 athletic conference. The administration has endeavored to provide periodic updates to the Student Government President, Faculty Senate Executive Committee and Staff Council leadership. During these challenging times, the strong statements of support that have come from our meetings with student, faculty and staff leaders has both encouraged and energized us. Thank you.
At the present time, we are optimistic that the Big 12 will remain a viable athletic conference. As we have said consistently, we think a strong Big 12 Conference is in the best interest of all parties – most notably, our students and student-athletes. News reports are full of wild speculation, with rumor and unidentified sources driving much of the discussion. What I can tell you is that the issues are complex, but important conversations are continuing.
Lest we conclude this is purely about our athletic programs, let me assure you that this is an issue that could impact all of us. Clearly, our storied football rivalries and related traditions are considered by prospective and current students an important element of student life on our campus. And what of the student-faculty experience that we hold so dear? Dramatic changes in conference configuration would force student-athletes to travel greater distances to compete. This change would be disruptive to the classroom experience and make difficult for student-athletes the high level of engagement with faculty that is such a hallmark of a Baylor education. Threatened as well could be the revenue dollars that come into the University from various sources as a result of the front porch which a nationally visible athletics program provides.
Let me also make clear that the course Baylor is following in these negotiations, and the manner in which we are participating, is absolutely consistent with the high standards to which our distinct mission as a Christian university calls us. We will continue to represent Baylor in the most honest, transparent and honorable manner possible. In particular, I want you to know that Baylor has always complied fully with its contractual responsibilities regarding the Big 12. At the heart of our concern are the solemn conference agreements signed in good faith by all current members of the Big 12 Conference. As a result of these agreements, and the guaranteed revenue associated with them, a number of our fellow Big 12 institutions have already made binding and significant commitments of financial resources that will have dramatic consequences on their campuses.
As we contemplate these issues, we are reminded how very proud we are of our student-athletes and our coaches. Sharing transformational mission trips during their breaks and reporting an overall grade point average last semester of 3.2, our student-athletes reflect, in a very public way, the character of Baylor's remarkable student body. Beyond that, we are making a strong statement on a national stage that Baylor University is a powerful presence in collegiate athletics in our country. We are confident that such a reputation will serve us well as present conversations continue concerning Baylor's future conference commitments. Please visit the Baylor Athletics Experience to learn more about athletic accolades.
We will continue periodically to update campus leadership and the entire campus community. In the meanwhile, we invite you to visit the Baylor Nation website for the latest news and information on the Big 12 discussions and for information on how you can get involved: www.baylor.edu/nation. You may also find of interest an opinion piece in today's Houston Chronicle, "Consider Costs of Ending Big 12," in which I share some thoughts about the Big 12 and Texas football traditions.
Let me close by once again extending a word of thanks to the many individuals within our community, both near and far, who have been so generous in their words of kindness and encouragement. Baylor's position is strong, and it is right. Because we have your prayers and your support, we are confident of a successful resolution of the current challenges we face.
We look forward to seeing many of you Saturday when our #19 ranked football team takes on Stephen F. Austin under the lights at Floyd Casey Stadium.
Sic'em, Baylor Nation!
Ken Starr
1.Did he forget to leave out that their best Basketball player beat his girlfriend to a pulp but was still allowed to play last year(Lacedarius Dunn)(However you spell it) Is that Christian morals?
2. He mentions how remarkable their student body is!( Well why the hell do they not attend any sporting events to support their team.(Too busy in bible class)
3. He mentions they are the most honorable, honest institution! Once again he fails to mention they have the worst, classless rule breaking basketball coach in the south!
4. I hope SFA beats the heck out of them
We are grateful for the many words of support during the recent tumult associated with the Big 12 athletic conference. The administration has endeavored to provide periodic updates to the Student Government President, Faculty Senate Executive Committee and Staff Council leadership. During these challenging times, the strong statements of support that have come from our meetings with student, faculty and staff leaders has both encouraged and energized us. Thank you.
At the present time, we are optimistic that the Big 12 will remain a viable athletic conference. As we have said consistently, we think a strong Big 12 Conference is in the best interest of all parties – most notably, our students and student-athletes. News reports are full of wild speculation, with rumor and unidentified sources driving much of the discussion. What I can tell you is that the issues are complex, but important conversations are continuing.
Lest we conclude this is purely about our athletic programs, let me assure you that this is an issue that could impact all of us. Clearly, our storied football rivalries and related traditions are considered by prospective and current students an important element of student life on our campus. And what of the student-faculty experience that we hold so dear? Dramatic changes in conference configuration would force student-athletes to travel greater distances to compete. This change would be disruptive to the classroom experience and make difficult for student-athletes the high level of engagement with faculty that is such a hallmark of a Baylor education. Threatened as well could be the revenue dollars that come into the University from various sources as a result of the front porch which a nationally visible athletics program provides.
Let me also make clear that the course Baylor is following in these negotiations, and the manner in which we are participating, is absolutely consistent with the high standards to which our distinct mission as a Christian university calls us. We will continue to represent Baylor in the most honest, transparent and honorable manner possible. In particular, I want you to know that Baylor has always complied fully with its contractual responsibilities regarding the Big 12. At the heart of our concern are the solemn conference agreements signed in good faith by all current members of the Big 12 Conference. As a result of these agreements, and the guaranteed revenue associated with them, a number of our fellow Big 12 institutions have already made binding and significant commitments of financial resources that will have dramatic consequences on their campuses.
As we contemplate these issues, we are reminded how very proud we are of our student-athletes and our coaches. Sharing transformational mission trips during their breaks and reporting an overall grade point average last semester of 3.2, our student-athletes reflect, in a very public way, the character of Baylor's remarkable student body. Beyond that, we are making a strong statement on a national stage that Baylor University is a powerful presence in collegiate athletics in our country. We are confident that such a reputation will serve us well as present conversations continue concerning Baylor's future conference commitments. Please visit the Baylor Athletics Experience to learn more about athletic accolades.
We will continue periodically to update campus leadership and the entire campus community. In the meanwhile, we invite you to visit the Baylor Nation website for the latest news and information on the Big 12 discussions and for information on how you can get involved: www.baylor.edu/nation. You may also find of interest an opinion piece in today's Houston Chronicle, "Consider Costs of Ending Big 12," in which I share some thoughts about the Big 12 and Texas football traditions.
Let me close by once again extending a word of thanks to the many individuals within our community, both near and far, who have been so generous in their words of kindness and encouragement. Baylor's position is strong, and it is right. Because we have your prayers and your support, we are confident of a successful resolution of the current challenges we face.
We look forward to seeing many of you Saturday when our #19 ranked football team takes on Stephen F. Austin under the lights at Floyd Casey Stadium.
Sic'em, Baylor Nation!
Ken Starr
1.Did he forget to leave out that their best Basketball player beat his girlfriend to a pulp but was still allowed to play last year(Lacedarius Dunn)(However you spell it) Is that Christian morals?
2. He mentions how remarkable their student body is!( Well why the hell do they not attend any sporting events to support their team.(Too busy in bible class)
3. He mentions they are the most honorable, honest institution! Once again he fails to mention they have the worst, classless rule breaking basketball coach in the south!
4. I hope SFA beats the heck out of them
Posted on 9/17/11 at 12:51 am to fwatts003
Lol omg
Wow, just...WOW...it's like a whole nother world in the big 12 lol.
Wow, just...WOW...it's like a whole nother world in the big 12 lol.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:13 am to Duzz
ahh..I see someone has stumbled on this little gem of a website on the Brazos called Baylorfans.com.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 1:57 am to Wolf Shirt
John Lopez Quote
Abraham Lincoln once said, profoundly, “It is better to remain silent and be considered a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Which brings us to Baylor. And Kenneth Starr.
The squawking and posturing Baylor initialized over potentially being left on the sidelines as elite programs realign has been heard nationwide. The chest-pounding in Waco has been equally loud.
The Bears and their president Starr have made a lot of noise. They’ve caused much angst.
But have they made a sound?
More important, have they changed the destiny of any program looking to realign —specifically Texas A&M and Oklahoma — or affected the inevitability of so-called, “super-conferences” forming?
The answer is a resounding "no." In fact, the only destiny Baylor has affected may be its own. The exact opposite of the intended result appears to be occurring before BU and Starr's eyes.
They are coming off as bitter bridesmaids, casting darts and pouting but looking only less attractive for it. The national tone is clearly against Baylor’s ploy. And while other second-tier programs in the Big 12 also have fallen in line and refused to sign on the dotted line, the backlash is strongest on those in green and gold who pronounced fatefully, “Don’t Mess With Texas Football.”
It was a huge and costly mistake that should be considered a foreboding sign to any other second-tier programs with similar over-inflated self-worth.
No one likes to be told they’re not good enough, or second-tier, like Baylor was as others moved on to bigger and better things. And it goes double for prideful institutions such as BU and its fans and high-profile administrators.
It was more than understandable that feelings were hurt and anger boiled in Waco when Texas started calling all the shots with its Longhorn Network, Texas A&M found a home in the best league in the country and Oklahoma’s eyes began to wander.
But once Baylor reacted with instinct rather than thought, it forged this path it now cannot leave. It opened its collective mouth and tried to wield the same kind of power as the big boys. When it pronounced itself to be anything but second-tier, the backlash removed all doubt.
Baylor not only cannot win this battle — it figures to lose more than it ever would have otherwise. Any chance of the Big 12 surviving now is gone. Any chance of Baylor pulling another Ann Richards and sneaking into the back seat on a ride into a super-conference is out of the question.
Baylor was worried it would be left in a lurch and then self-fulfilled that prophecy by throwing its collective body on the floor, kicking and screaming, in essence announcing to the college football world, “But I want an Oompah-Loompah now!”
There were numerous pre-existing differences among Big 12 members, as Nebraska’s and Colorado’s moves, the Longhorn network’s division and the Aggies’ subsequent and impending move to the Southeastern Conference made evident. But Baylor’s refusal to abide by the Big 12’s initial agreement to waive potential litigation made those differences irreconcilable.
Ultimately, it will be Baylor’s very public and very childish tantrum that will be the fatal blow that dismantles the Big 12. There is no more trust among member institutions. There are no more procedures. There is not a shred of stability.
From the beginning of this Aggie venture southeast, Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin took meticulous steps to do things right way, respect protocol and — significantly — not undermine commissioner Dan Beebe or any other Big 12 institution. It was a slow process and often grueling for anxious Aggies to bear.
But it was done right. Bowen took great steps not to burn bridges, even though the move was crucial because of fading trust and stability within the league.
When Bowen publicly addressed the move to the SEC he spoke of a “100-year plan” for Texas A&M and went out of his way to note, “It’s not so much what’s wrong with the Big 12. It’s what’s right for Texas A&M.”
Baylor then highlighted and underlined all the things wrong with the Big 12 and proceeded to make it all worse. Baylor fans — and fans of Iowa State, Kansas State and Kansas for that matter — should not be celebrating Starr’s misguided attempt to block A&M and Oklahoma.
They should be asking, “Is this our only hope? Desperation?”
It’s this exact kind of dysfunction and instability which pushes programs further away, rather than bringing them closer together.
Rather than taking control of their own destiny, building relationships and bridges that just might keep Baylor among the elite programs, the Bears took the low road, leading a foolish charge all by themselves.
And ultimately, after the Aggies head southeast and the Longhorns, Sooners, Red Raide
Abraham Lincoln once said, profoundly, “It is better to remain silent and be considered a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Which brings us to Baylor. And Kenneth Starr.
The squawking and posturing Baylor initialized over potentially being left on the sidelines as elite programs realign has been heard nationwide. The chest-pounding in Waco has been equally loud.
The Bears and their president Starr have made a lot of noise. They’ve caused much angst.
But have they made a sound?
More important, have they changed the destiny of any program looking to realign —specifically Texas A&M and Oklahoma — or affected the inevitability of so-called, “super-conferences” forming?
The answer is a resounding "no." In fact, the only destiny Baylor has affected may be its own. The exact opposite of the intended result appears to be occurring before BU and Starr's eyes.
They are coming off as bitter bridesmaids, casting darts and pouting but looking only less attractive for it. The national tone is clearly against Baylor’s ploy. And while other second-tier programs in the Big 12 also have fallen in line and refused to sign on the dotted line, the backlash is strongest on those in green and gold who pronounced fatefully, “Don’t Mess With Texas Football.”
It was a huge and costly mistake that should be considered a foreboding sign to any other second-tier programs with similar over-inflated self-worth.
No one likes to be told they’re not good enough, or second-tier, like Baylor was as others moved on to bigger and better things. And it goes double for prideful institutions such as BU and its fans and high-profile administrators.
It was more than understandable that feelings were hurt and anger boiled in Waco when Texas started calling all the shots with its Longhorn Network, Texas A&M found a home in the best league in the country and Oklahoma’s eyes began to wander.
But once Baylor reacted with instinct rather than thought, it forged this path it now cannot leave. It opened its collective mouth and tried to wield the same kind of power as the big boys. When it pronounced itself to be anything but second-tier, the backlash removed all doubt.
Baylor not only cannot win this battle — it figures to lose more than it ever would have otherwise. Any chance of the Big 12 surviving now is gone. Any chance of Baylor pulling another Ann Richards and sneaking into the back seat on a ride into a super-conference is out of the question.
Baylor was worried it would be left in a lurch and then self-fulfilled that prophecy by throwing its collective body on the floor, kicking and screaming, in essence announcing to the college football world, “But I want an Oompah-Loompah now!”
There were numerous pre-existing differences among Big 12 members, as Nebraska’s and Colorado’s moves, the Longhorn network’s division and the Aggies’ subsequent and impending move to the Southeastern Conference made evident. But Baylor’s refusal to abide by the Big 12’s initial agreement to waive potential litigation made those differences irreconcilable.
Ultimately, it will be Baylor’s very public and very childish tantrum that will be the fatal blow that dismantles the Big 12. There is no more trust among member institutions. There are no more procedures. There is not a shred of stability.
From the beginning of this Aggie venture southeast, Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin took meticulous steps to do things right way, respect protocol and — significantly — not undermine commissioner Dan Beebe or any other Big 12 institution. It was a slow process and often grueling for anxious Aggies to bear.
But it was done right. Bowen took great steps not to burn bridges, even though the move was crucial because of fading trust and stability within the league.
When Bowen publicly addressed the move to the SEC he spoke of a “100-year plan” for Texas A&M and went out of his way to note, “It’s not so much what’s wrong with the Big 12. It’s what’s right for Texas A&M.”
Baylor then highlighted and underlined all the things wrong with the Big 12 and proceeded to make it all worse. Baylor fans — and fans of Iowa State, Kansas State and Kansas for that matter — should not be celebrating Starr’s misguided attempt to block A&M and Oklahoma.
They should be asking, “Is this our only hope? Desperation?”
It’s this exact kind of dysfunction and instability which pushes programs further away, rather than bringing them closer together.
Rather than taking control of their own destiny, building relationships and bridges that just might keep Baylor among the elite programs, the Bears took the low road, leading a foolish charge all by themselves.
And ultimately, after the Aggies head southeast and the Longhorns, Sooners, Red Raide
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