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re: How A&M stacks up with SEC

Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:14 pm to
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a superior basketball conference when compared to the SEC


No. Look at the NCAA tourney last year and see which conference fared better.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:18 pm to

TAMU


Arkansas


TAMU must including women sports to make their national titles not look so pathetic.
Posted by Bob Ag
Austin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:18 pm to
Tourney runs are not the only measure of a BB conference. I dont think you'll find many people who think the SEC was a better conference than the big12 in BB.

Posted by GerryDiNardo
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:19 pm to
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No. Look at the NCAA tourney last year and see which conference fared better.



Big XII was 3rd best conference per RPI. SEC was 6th. NCAA tournament results don't directly correlate to conference success since match ups are so important.
Posted by Bob Ag
Austin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:21 pm to
So your saying that in the last 5 years A&M has 8 national championships and the hogs have zero.
You're really killing it arent you.
Posted by GerryDiNardo
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:21 pm to
.. and we're 5 years removed from the last Arkansas National Title. Since then, A&M has 8. Just sayin'.

EDIT: Beat me to it.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Bob Ag
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:22 pm to
Hey no problem saying it twice.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Bob Ag
How A&M stacks up with SEC
So your saying that in the last 5 years A&M has 8 national championships and the hogs have zero.
You're really killing it arent you.


Arkansas can sit on the sidelines for 2 decades and you still won't be Arkansas in national titles. History repeats itself it's just a matter of time.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:30 pm to
We are even letting them count their lady sports.. Sad for such a large university, better athletic program and more money.
Posted by Bob Ag
Austin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:34 pm to
You still dont seem to understand that everyone was talking about the present and not the past. In fact, not one time did anyone mention anything about historical success. Why? Because it has no bearing on how A&M will succeed in the SEC. What does Bob Ag? Well, that would be the current time that we live in, sunhog.

See this isn't so hard, but I understand its difficult for someone like you to process these things. Might as well be simple jack.
Posted by GerryDiNardo
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:34 pm to
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Sad for such a large university, better athletic program and more money.


Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying that it's not sad the A&M program had been so bad for so long, but they've really turned it around recently. There's no reason to figure they can't keep that level of success going in the SEC, especially with the resources available.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 3:36 pm
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:44 pm to
I'm really just stirring the pot here. I'm a big advocate of having a strong program in all sports, and Arkansas and A&M both certainly meet the criteria

I'm very aware that in 2009 A&M beat Arkansas on the back 9 to win a NC in golf. I'm also aware that A&M has won 3 straight Men's T&F titles. Color me unimpressed. Arkansas is the most successful T&F program in the history of the sport, and it isn't even close. I'm sorry that we don't win the title every year, but we will win them again. It's what we do.

So, congrats on your 4 most recent NC's. As for those won in women's sports, don't bring that shite here. No one in the SEC other than a handful of Bama gymnastics or Tennessee basketball fans give a rats arse about womens sports.

A&M will bring a solid, balanced program. I can admit that. But in the SEC you are just another middle of the pack program. Period. End of story.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 3:45 pm
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
9202 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Bob Ag
How A&M stacks up with SEC
You still dont seem to understand that everyone was talking about the present and not the past. In fact, not one time did anyone mention anything about historical success. Why? Because it has no bearing on how A&M will succeed in the SEC. What does Bob Ag? Well, that would be the current time that we live in, sunhog.

See this isn't so hard, but I understand its difficult for someone like you to process these things. Might as well be simple jack.



Wrong,

Historical indicators are a large reason for business decisions. You think this is all new, ha, wrong. There is a reason historical facts are always relevant.

TAMU has always had money, unreal recruiting base, massive alumni base and turns multiple players into the NFL..

Yet, they've constantly underachieve, that was evident last yer against Arkansas and LSU. Texas A&M is the most underachieving program in the entire nation.

Why is that? Leadership, coaching? fine.. But you've had 100 years of bad leadership in multiple sports to which the lack of national titles supports this.

You are telling me you're just going to turn that 180 degree angel and overcome 100 years of bad direction next year?

You are also entering a league with a team who dominates you record wise in all sports (Arkansas) and is in the top middle of the conference in revenue, merchandise, all time wins etc..

You'll be competitive because you can't be any worse than you've been for the past 100 years and being located in Texas.

Texas A&M has it'self to blame for being the most underachieving program of all time with SO many advantages.
Posted by GerryDiNardo
Bringing Back The Magic!
Member since Mar 2004
5774 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Wrong,

Historical indicators are a large reason for business decisions.


I couldn't disagree more. You're telling me that the state of an athletic program in 1930 or 1950 or 1980 or 2000 impact what will happen in 2012 more than the state of programs in 2011? Get outta here. You hog fans are all grasping at straws here...
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:04 pm to
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I couldn't disagree more. You're telling me that the state of an athletic program in 1930 or 1950 or 1980 or 2000 impact what will happen in 2012 more than the state of programs in 2011? Get outta here. You hog fans are all grasping at straws here...


Again, throwing out the women's shite, and that's what it is, you're talking about a golf title you won over Arkansas and talking track smack to a fanbase that wipes their asses with NC banners.

Your golf and 3 T&F titles really mean jack shite. Trust me. Arkansas has the best T&F facilities on the planet and a banner hanging from every rafter AND NOT A GOD DAMN SOUL IN THE SEC GIVES A frick. I really feel the need to inform you that as you move to the SEC there is most certainly balance among the programs but you hardly hear about it because football is King.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 4:06 pm
Posted by CassiusClay
Member since Aug 2011
820 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:06 pm to
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Arkansas is the most successful T&F program in the history

Didn't pat henry win like 17nc while at LSU? I could easily be wrong but seems like that be hard to have more if true.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:08 pm to

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Didn't pat henry win like 17nc while at LSU? I could easily be wrong but seems like that be hard to have more if true.




John McDonnell is the most succesful coach in the history of NCAA Athletics

NCAA Championships: 42
NCAA Triple Crowns: 5
SWC Championships: 38
SEC Championships: 46

30-time national coach of the year
49-time conference coach of the year
62-time region coach of the year
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 4:11 pm
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
9202 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

GerryDinardo
How A&M stacks up with SEC
quote:
Wrong,

Historical indicators are a large reason for business decisions.


I couldn't disagree more. You're telling me that the state of an athletic program in 1930 or 1950 or 1980 or 2000 impact what will happen in 2012 more than the state of programs in 2011? Get outta here. You hog fans are all grasping at straws here...



No, you take the market analysis and effects of those decision then and apply it to today's standards.

In 50 years the populations haven't changed much nor recruiting advantages. There is reason the Best teams historically are from the South.

You are thinking with a one track mind.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Shiner Bock Aggie
1985
Member since Aug 2008
517 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:09 pm to
I think one thing that gives most Aggies optimism for the future is that A&M was a relatively small school until the 1970's. The total enrollent before the school became non-millitary/coed was generally in the 10-15K range. The small older classes that are dying out which may have graduated out 2-4K each are being replaced by classes graduating out 6-8K. The earliest large classes from the 1970's are now hitting their peak giving years and it should only go up from there. While the school may not have the favorable demographic history many of its geographical peers have, its future looks good.
Posted by Bob Ag
Austin
Member since Aug 2011
3008 posts
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

Again, throwing out the women's shite, and that's what it is, you're talking about a golf title you won over Arkansas and talking track smack to a fanbase that wipes their asses with NC banners. Your golf and 3 T&F titles really mean jack shite. Trust me. Arkansas has the best T&F facilities on the planet and a banner hanging from every rafter AND NOT A GOD DAMN SOUL IN THE SEC GIVES A frick. I really feel the need to inform you that as you move to the SEC there is most certainly balance among the programs but you hardly hear about it because football is King.




Dude what in the frick are you talking about? The only people that started talking about titles was hog fans. All I ever talked about was that currently A&M's overall athletic program would be near the top in the SEC as it stands right now.

You dipshits are the ones jumping in timemachines and running smack about titles. Right now, our athletic program is better than yours. Deal with it.
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