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A look at how the BIG12 was formed.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:08 pm to Duckie
Very interesting. One of the reasons why Mizzou, Colorado and Nebraska got pissed was because the offices were moved from Kansas City to the Dallas area. Texas getting too much power. Now I know what they meant after reading that. Nobody ever brought all that to light.
Baylor, all I can say is they got lucky.
Found this interesting.
Even more interesting........
Baylor, all I can say is they got lucky.
Found this interesting.
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Bob Berdahl would take over as the university's president in 1993, and soon after, another meeting was called, this time in the hotel of the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. "We can't tell Texas they're coming up to Kansas City so we met at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport," Wefald said, half joking.
Even more interesting........
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But Texas also took issue with Proposition 48s — which was a rule enacted in 1986 that requires incoming college athletes to have a 2.0 GPA in 11 core courses and score at least a 700 on the SAT or a 15 on the ACT. This was better known as partial qualifiers, and Texas wanted the number allowed in the old Big Eight to be decreased significantly in the Big 12, which left a sour taste in the mouth of Nebraska football coach Tom Osborne.
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"At the time, Tom Osborne maybe had over 20 or 25 Prop 48s and they were all excellent players," Wefald said. "Texas said we're only going to permit one and if you don't go along with it we're not going to join — it was almost like that. And we supported that. It was so important to have Texas and Texas A&M as part of this new conference and Baylor and Texas Tech are both excellent — so we had this Big 12 and we pretty much agreed on the ground rules."
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:09 pm to bayou2003
Yeah, I'm really curious as to how Texass came up with those 4 schools and why they left the others out.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:13 pm to Duckie
Houston, Rice, TCU and SMU were all in the two biggest metro areas in Texas...Texas didn't want to compete with those schools for recruits, so they cut them off.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:14 pm to Duckie
because, other than rice, SMU, TCU and UofH owned their asses year in and out
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:16 pm to Chicken
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Houston, Rice, TCU and SMU were all in the two biggest metro areas in Texas...Texas didn't want to compete with those schools for recruits, so they cut them off.
Legitimate point, and probably the reason as to why.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:17 pm to Duckie
shite I wonder what other school in a conference could have that much power.....I'm thinking someone like USC in Pac 12 or Florida State in ACC. I would think with Alabama's history they'd have the most power in the SEC.
All I can say is I don't see why anyone would want Texas in their conference. Don't blame TAMU, Nebraska, and Colorado for leaving. Mizzou might claim to be a "smart" school but they sure aren't acting smart. frickers are dumb if they stay in the Big 12, especially after reading what I just read.
All I can say is I don't see why anyone would want Texas in their conference. Don't blame TAMU, Nebraska, and Colorado for leaving. Mizzou might claim to be a "smart" school but they sure aren't acting smart. frickers are dumb if they stay in the Big 12, especially after reading what I just read.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:19 pm to bayou2003
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shite I wonder what other school in a conference could have that much power.....I'm thinking someone like USC in Pac 12 or Florida State in ACC. I would think with Alabama's history they'd have the most power in the SEC.
No one in the SEC has that power, imo.
I would say the closest would be OU, but they aren't even close to that power, and I don't think would use their power like UT did. Funny they are both in the same BIG12.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:32 pm to Duckie
Do the Proposition 48 still go on in regards to only having a 2.0 GPA, are all the conferences playing by the same rules. Hell I had no idea Nebraska had 20-25 players that benefited from that. Wonder how much that played into Nebraska and OU's national power status in the 70's-mid 90's. I noticed OU started to suck when the Big 12 formed. Texas damn well knew what they were doing in regards to that rule.
But then Kansas State came into power, but they recruited a lot of JUCO players to build up.
But then Kansas State came into power, but they recruited a lot of JUCO players to build up.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:33 pm to bayou2003
no way this story is true. baylor would never be part of a plan to leave other texas schools out in the cold. they care about texas football tradition.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:43 pm to 1999
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no way this story is true. baylor would never be part of a plan to leave other texas schools out in the cold. they care about texas football tradition
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:52 pm to Duckie
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Yeah, I'm really curious as to how Texass came up with those 4 schools and why they left the others out.
Because Houston and Dallas became NFL markets in the late 70's and everyone stopped caring about small private schools and community colleges.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:54 pm to Duckie
I find it interesting that they literally gave Texas the power and deferred. The conference would have been formidable with or without Texas. Seems to me that the only people who think highly of Texas are Texans or those in the immediate border regions. The rest of us couldn't give a crap about Texas or any of the schools there. They're really just not important to the overall landscape of college football. If Texas went away altogether, no one would miss them. You'd still have all the SEC champions, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska which are more storied programs than Texas has ever been. Texas is a legend in its own mind and that's about it. Other than their 2005 BCS win, I can't even recall an historic Texas team. Texas A&M has even less and it's amazing that some think they have a great history. They're 2-12 in bowl games over the last 20 years.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:17 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
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Because Houston and Dallas became NFL markets in the late 70's and everyone stopped caring about small private schools and community colleges.
Yea the Pony Express at SMU and Andrew Ware at Houston were irrelevant to citizens of Dallas and Houston...
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:22 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Very interesting. One of the reasons why Mizzou, Colorado and Nebraska got pissed was because the offices were moved from Kansas City to the Dallas area
This was an 11-1 vote with Neb as the only dissent. Everyone else wanted as much exposure in Texas as possible for recruiting. Mizzou and Colorado weren't pissed, they voted for it!
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:23 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Yea the Pony Express at SMU and Andrew Ware at Houston were irrelevant to citizens of Dallas and Houston...
actually yes they were especially during the 80's when compared to the big 3 (UT, A&M, and Arky)
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:23 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Yea the Pony Express at SMU and Andrew Ware at Houston were irrelevant to citizens of Dallas and Houston...
UH was pretty irrelevant to the people of Houston. UH is a commuter school with a disproportionate percentage of older students who are "going back to school." They are doing really good things with their football program, but they will never have a great following.
FYI, I went to the 1988 A&M at UH football game at the Astrodome. Andre Ware had to call a time out because of our crowd noise.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:26 pm to Duckie
Great Read. Thanks!
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:27 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
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everyone stopped caring about small private schools and community colleges
Community colleges?
lay off the bong man, UH is the third largest Public School in Texas. And when did Baylor a "small private school" care enough about football to be invited?
Fact was UH TCU and SMU were dominating Texas during that time and they didn't want to play them anymore. Maybe thats why they haven't played any of the three since?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:29 pm to texmariner84
quote:can you back this quote up with facts?
Fact was UH TCU and SMU were dominating Texas during that time and they didn't want to play them anymore. Maybe thats why they haven't played any of the three since?
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