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re: When did the right stop being about limited government and start peddling conspiracies?

Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:38 pm to
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The left was all about 9/11 conspiracies

Yeah CNN and msnbc had to retract that story right?
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:21 pm to
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Incapable of responding so you use this term to dispute
a real link when you came up with nothing to back up your statement.

Typical...deflect,deflect,deflect


I contributed to the thread topic. You deflected from the topic to attack the left.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 8:42 pm to
I think most conservatives still want limited government.

On the conspiracy front, liberal men defy logical male behavior and instinct since the dawn of man. Conservatives are suspicious of liberals based on this less than typical heterosexual natural male behavior.

Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:46 pm to
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None are valid and if you actually believe it than you
Are in the Alex Jones,Golden Nugget,Whiskey Papa lunatic fringe.


The 9/11 official story is full of contradictions and out right lies.
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:48 pm to
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quote: I'll just say when Obama refused to expose his college transcripts it was an opportune time for "why not" concerning conspiracies. this was a big inflection point


Which shows more of a lack of transparency- Obama's lack of releasing college transcripts or Trump not making his taxes public? Seems like one was hiding much more than the other.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:03 am to
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The 9/11 official story is full of contradictions and out right lies.



This is true...but wild speculation isn't necessarily right either...

Either way, the video of the guy getting kicked out of building 7, while contractors are walking through the building is crazy
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:03 am to
Apparently both ideologies are bar shite crazy
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:40 am to
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This is true...but wild speculation isn't necessarily right either...

Either way, the video of the guy getting kicked out of building 7, while contractors are walking through the building is crazy


I agree completely. You can have your belief but to state it as fact, without proof, will only turn people away from your cause
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:23 am to
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you can't say it's a liberal conspiracy when GOP senators and congressmen say yeah Russia interfered in the election




attempted to Influence. not interfere
Posted by RD Dawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 4:51 am to
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The 9/11 official story is full of contradictions and out right lies.



Notice sure what you mean by "official" but nobody did
a more thorough investigation than Popular Mechanics You want to pinpoint the lies and "contradictions" in their investigation?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 6:41 am to
Gop and the clintons
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 6:54 am to
The birth certificate isnt fake...the right has promoted conspiracy theories for as long as I can remember...many of you are are convinced tehre is a race war just around the corner...and have been since the 50's at least. Thereis no equivalency on the left....there has never been a Steve bannon on the left....
Posted by CoachDon
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:17 am to
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Draconian Sanctions


Should be banned for troll threads....
Posted by fischd1
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:04 am to
Melt lefty!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:17 am to
I will try this again...

The original old G "leftist" pizzagater....


YouTube vid of Crossfire


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Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche, Jr. (born September 8, 1922) is an American political activist and founder of the LaRouche movement.[1][2] He has written on economic, scientific, and political topics, as well as on history, philosophy, and psychoanalysis. LaRouche was a presidential candidate in each election from 1976 to 2004, running once for his own U.S. Labor Party and seven times for the Democratic Party nomination



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History as a struggle between Platonism and Aristotelianism
University of Notre Dame political philosophers Catherine Zuckert and Michael Zuckert write about LaRouche that "[I]t must be nearly unique in American politics that a presidential candidate... makes the interpretation of Plato a major issue in his campaign."[192]

According to George Johnson, LaRouche sees history as a battle between Platonists, who believe in absolute truth, and Aristotelians, who rely on empirical data. Johnson characterizes LaRouche's views as follows: the Platonists include figures such as Beethoven, Mozart, Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci, and Leibniz. He believes that many of the world's ills result from the dominance of Aristotelianism as embraced by the empirical philosophers (such as Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley, and Hume), leading to a culture that favors the empirical over the metaphysical, embraces moral relativism, and seeks to keep the general population uninformed. Industry, technology, and classical music should be used to enlighten the world, LaRouche argues, whereas the Aristotelians use psychotherapy, drugs, rock music, jazz, environmentalism, and quantum theory to bring about a new dark age in which the world will be ruled by the oligarchs. Left and right are false distinctions for LaRouche; what matters is the Platonic versus Aristotelian outlook, a position that has led him to form relationships with groups as disparate as farmers, nuclear engineers, Black Muslims, Teamsters and pro-life advocates.

The conspirators are not necessarily in touch with one another: "From their standpoint, [the conspirators] are proceeding by instinct," LaRouche has said. "If you're asking how their policy is developed—if there is an inside group sitting down and making plans—no, it doesn't work that way ... History doesn't function quite that consciously."[193][194][195][196][197] In Architects of Fear (1983), Johnson compares the view to the Illuminati conspiracy theory; Johnson writes that after he wrote about LaRouche in The New York Times, LaRouche's followers denounced him as part of a conspiracy of elitists that began in ancient Egypt.[194][198][199][200][201]



NY Times

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Democratic leaders, stunned by the Illinois results, say they believe voters cast their ballots unaware of the candidates' connections to Mr. Larouche and such LaRouche beliefs as that the Queen of England is a drug dealer and that Henry A. Kissinger is a Soviet ''agent of influence.''


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Asked if he believed that Queen Elizabeth II was knowingly involved in drug trafficking, for example, Mr. LaRouche said, ''Of course she is.''

He also argues that a variety of forces are plotting to kill him. In the interview he said the K.G.B., the Soviet security agency, was ''on my tail.'' He said Mr. Kissinger, the former Secretary of State, had ''run operations against me, and these have been operations that involved assassination threats and assassination potentialities.''

British intelligence has also worked against him, Mr. LaRouche said, and numerous others have plotted to kill him. Asked about these accusations, he said, ''You can't put them all in the same - they are not all part of one coherent plot.'' But, he added, ''in each case where we name someone, there is a basis for it.'' Now, he said, ''I have got Colombian drug pushers and some others - there's a hit out against me.''


WaPo

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LaRouche organization publications have charged that NBC backs the "drug lobby" and that the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, another LaRouche critic, played a role in the assassination of Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.


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But the name that comes up perhaps more than any other in LaRouche's pantheon of enemies is former secretary of state Henry Kissinger. The preoccupation with Kissinger increased after June 10, 1982, when Kissinger's wife Nancy was escorting him onto a plane at Newark Airport for a trip to Boston, where he was to undergo triple-bypass surgery.

When a LaRouche supporter, Ellen Kaplan, started yelling abusive comments at him, such as, "Is it true that you sleep with young boys at the Carlyle Hotel?" Nancy Kissinger allegedly grabbed the woman by the throat. She was acquitted in a Newark court of assaulting Kaplan.



Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:05 pm to
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Notice sure what you mean by "official" but nobody did 
a more thorough investigation than Popular Mechanics You want to pinpoint the lies and "contradictions" in their investigation?


I have their book. Ive read it twice. They debunk some things and really seem to focus on the Loose Change kids and their inconsequential stuff like window-less planes. They blantantly ignore some of the most glaring evidence.

Other than that, they either have false info, are lying, or have someone prominent influencing.

Here is a site with way more people that say otherwise. Many of these people are highly qualified. More than Popular Mechanics, even.


the truth
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 12:11 am
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
57622 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:15 pm to
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When did the right stop being about limited government and start peddling conspiracies?


Are you trying to be hypocritical or do you just not understand the word?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:11 am to
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Here is a site with way more people that say otherwise. Many of these people are highly qualified.


Jesus,you are completly batshit crazy.

"way more people that say otherwise"?????????
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