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re: When did the right stop being about limited government and start peddling conspiracies?

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Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:02 pm to
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But if the point is simply to point out that Poster A doesn't care about illicit fiscal relationships until the other side has them, then it is a legitimate means of discrediting Poster A. It's doesn't mean the substance is wrong; only that the Poster is selective in his outrage and unprincipled.


That's a logical fallacy, appeal to hypocrisy

It's also often used very unfairly and unevenly, making if even less legitimate

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Pointing out hypocrisy is important because it harms credibility down the line.


The problem is that anybody can say "well you have no credibility" as a means of deflecting, regardless of whether or not it's true

You seem to want to be able to avoid addressing legitimate questions and concerns with impunity when it suits your purposes. If you don't see how that's a problem then I can't help you.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:06 pm to
"Russians" is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory since the reptilian overlords
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48296 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:09 pm to
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That's a logical fallacy, appeal to hypocrisy


Yes, but logical fallacies only apply to substantive arguments. Arguments exist on levels other than substance. Think about court cases.


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The problem is that anybody can say "well you have no credibility" as a means of deflecting, regardless of whether or not it's true


Given the broad spectrum of information (both legitimate and illegitimate) presented, credibility is an incredibly important filtering tool. You use this everyday; I guarantee it. If I sent you links from Zero Hedge about Pizza Gate, are you going to waste your time arguing substance with me?

Of course not.



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You seem to want to be able to avoid addressing legitimate questions and concerns with impunity when it suits your purposes.


Its actually the opposite. It's a process of ciphering through the nonsense so that you can get to the substance worth arguing.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:09 pm to
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The problem is that anybody can say "well you have no credibility" as a means of deflecting, regardless of whether or not it's true



And you have yet to address my link regarding the dems and 9/11 in response to your WTF reaction when it was pointed out to you.

I posted it THREE times in the thread w/out response.

Yes,I realize the OP was complete troll on your part.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:09 pm to
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100% the creation of HRC's failed 2008 Democrat primary campaign.


This is a lie. It started on FreeRepublic, a right wing message board
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:11 pm to
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RD Dawg


Im sorry, I don't know who you are or what you're talking about
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:11 pm to
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The left was all about 9/11 conspiracies






This ring a bell??
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:12 pm to
Not really, I can only respond to so many of you at a time
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:13 pm to
I bet you don't after I completely refuted your dumbass argument about dems and 9/11

Please put head firmly in sand.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:15 pm to
I still don't know who you are or what you're babbling about, but if it will make you feel better to have me address your whataboutism then sure, sometimes liberals do it too. Happy?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:16 pm to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84835 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:17 pm to
What can I say, lot of idiots out there
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:33 pm to
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What can I say, lot of idiots out there




Yet, it takes someone pointing out to you that what you are attempting to "gotcha" the opposing ideology with, your side is exactly the same and you barely will acknowledge that.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:33 pm to
YouTube vid of Crossfire


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Draconian Sanctions


Guest's bio is below

I will await your honest critique and how it relates to your thread....


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Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche, Jr. (born September 8, 1922) is an American political activist and founder of the LaRouche movement.[1][2] He has written on economic, scientific, and political topics, as well as on history, philosophy, and psychoanalysis. LaRouche was a presidential candidate in each election from 1976 to 2004, running once for his own U.S. Labor Party and seven times for the Democratic Party nomination
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:38 pm to
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your side is exactly the same


Nah
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:40 pm to
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Nah






Keep on with Muh Taxes and Muh Russians.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76445 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 4:19 pm to
Who coined the phrase "vast right-wing conspiracy"?

Who was that?

I think the person ran for President recently. . .
Posted by BoomBoomBoom
Member since Oct 2013
939 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 4:55 pm to
Muh Russians
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23058 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:21 pm to
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I have no idea, but if someone wants to be President I want to know who their financial interests are with before I make an assessment on whether or not I want them to be president.
what tax form would disclose this information?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
45994 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:34 pm to
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I think I started with birtherism but I'm open to other opinions


I started with a down vote, you're not a quitter, I'll give ya that.
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