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re: Trump "Yes.. I offered Mexico military help to take out the Cartels"
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:41 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:41 pm to JuiceTerry
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I could end the cartels without one drop of blood spilled.
Much harder on the powder side though. Grass is a no brainer.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:47 pm to Canard Noir
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Well, yes, yes I can tell you that you can't win that war by taking down the Mexican Cartels.
Nope! You can't. Let's talk about walls.....
You need roughly 700 miles of wall and patrol on the mexican southern border. Not US/Mexican, but THEIR southern border.
Help mexico clean out their country... It becomes a buffer zone.
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Accept it and treat it, stop funding terrorists and prisons,
The biggest flaw I have ever heard in this. You think that we should accept it and legalize it all because that will bankrupt them? It won't. They will lowe the prices and still flood the US.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:47 pm to Jjdoc
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Sure it will. You go at it from all angles. Nobody is suggesting an all out military campaign.
If the need becomes great enough, they'll dig a hole under your house and make shite there. Why do people insist on this path to fix the problem with decades of proof, trillions spent, and thousands killed to realize we're banging our head against a "wall" that it doesn't work? People will always want to get loaded and they'll sniff glue if they have to. People are getting rich and wars get funded on this shite, that is what is happening. Go ahead and praise some hard talk by Trump then go back to wondering why our sons, daughters, nieces and nephews are dying before they're 30.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:51 pm to Jjdoc
Actually a joint mission doesn't sound to good. We should just tell the messican government and military to just stay out of the way. They're all corrupt anyway.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:52 pm to northshorebamaman
They're going to do a better job with their dirty arse heroin.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:52 pm to Jcorye1
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Or just legalize drugs and let Pfizer enter the market and others hire Blackwater to take out the illegal competition to the South.
That's a flaw. The cartels will simple make cheaper drugs.
It's downward spiral.
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others hire Blackwater to take out the illegal competition to the South.
Wait now... We are agreeing.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 10:59 pm to Canard Noir
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If the need becomes great enough, they'll dig a hole under your house and make shite there. Why do people insist on this path to fix the problem with decades of proof, trillions spent, and thousands killed to realize we're banging our head against a "wall" that it doesn't work?
Because in reality, we have never had a legit war on drugs. We have given lip service to it.
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People will always want to get loaded and they'll sniff glue if they have to.
That's much different than what we are talking about.
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Go ahead and praise some hard talk by Trump then go back to wondering why our sons, daughters, nieces and nephews are dying before they're 30.
Really... now you are 100% contradicting yourself. If people are going to get their fix, then what's going to stop the cartels from creating and selling cheaper more dangerous drugs? Thus.... end result the same?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:03 pm to Jjdoc
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Really... now you are 100% contradicting yourself. If people are going to get their fix, then what's going to stop the cartels from creating and selling cheaper more dangerous drugs? Thus.... end result the same?
The same thing that happens/happened in the illegal alcohol and home made cigarette markets. It becomes a PITA to procure those goods vs just going to the store to get the legally made brands.
Illegal cartels have a lot of costs of doing business. I'd also venture the fact they won't have the resources or minds working on streamlining production that big business does will eventually do them in.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:09 pm to Jjdoc
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Really... now you are 100% contradicting yourself. If people are going to get their fix, then what's going to stop the cartels from creating and selling cheaper more dangerous drugs? Thus.... end result the same?
How on Earth am I contradicting myself? We are in the middle of an epidemic because of our ignorant drug laws. You think military action in Mexico will resolve it. You ignore the trillions of dollars of "lip service." I am telling you that even if you kill every single drug dealing Mexican, it will be replaced by a Honduran Cartel or a Columbian Cartel, an under Jjdoc's cartel, and an Afghanistan one oh wait, that's currently happening. Where there's a will there's a way and there will always be a will as long as people breathe Oxygen. A fundamental change in mindset is needed bubt OK, I'm contradicting myself.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:10 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Yep, no one's going to the bootlegger anymore.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:14 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Street prices are roughly 70 to 100% cheaper in the streets where legalized.
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Illegal cartels have a lot of costs of doing business. I'd also venture the fact they won't have the resources or minds working on streamlining production that big business does will eventually do them in.
So You think that Drug cartels that use slave labor and sneak in drugs to the US will not be able to compete with a DRUG company subject to US laws?
Come on.... seriously ??
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:16 pm to northshorebamaman
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Yep, no one's going to the bootlegger anymore.
THat's 100% a lie. I went as a kid because I was not getting it anyother way!
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:16 pm to Jjdoc
We'll give them a shite load of money that will get pocketed by govt officials.
We'll give them a shite load of weapons that will fall into the hands of the cartel (again).
We'll give them a shite load of weapons that will fall into the hands of the cartel (again).
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:20 pm to Jjdoc
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Street prices are roughly 70 to 100% cheaper in the streets where legalized
I live in a legal state and the vast majority have left the black market. The shops offer things your dealer can't or won't, like quality control.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:21 pm to Jjdoc
Your map only makes sense during intrastate legalization. When state borders open releasing some of the strangulation, prices would drop. Legalizing weed is simply smart for the enitrety of the country.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:22 pm to northshorebamaman
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I live in a legal state and the vast majority have left the black market. The shops offer things your dealer can't or won't, like quality control
Well, and eliminating the possibility of murdering you during the transaction too.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:22 pm to upgrayedd
Always a plus.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:23 pm to Jcorye1
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Or just legalize drugs and let Pfizer enter the market and others hire Blackwater to take out the illegal competition to the South.
Lol
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:24 pm to Canard Noir
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How on Earth am I contradicting myself?
Because you stated People will sniff glue if they have to. So according to that, if they can not afford the drugs created by drug companies, then they will sniff glue.
Again, the cartel will not just give up. They will force more slave labor(call it lowering over head) and they will grow it at a cost of.... ZERO DOLLARS.
Shipping... nowhere near the cost of drug companies.
Bottom line, you are contradicting yourself.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:26 pm to Jjdoc
The way to defeat the cartels is to take away the black market by legalizing drug use.
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